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Today is the <a href="http://nicholasrayfoundation.org/index.html">100th birthday</a> of <a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2002/great-directors/raynick/">Raymond Nicholas Kienzle</a>, better known as<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032XrDBUWTg"> Nicholas Ray</a>. The seminal <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhfW_D9Wuc">Hollywood-outcast</a>-turned-<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uksEgP_1RmU&feature=youtu.be&t=3m26s">French-New-Wave idol</a> behind <em>Rebel Without a Cause</em>,<em> Bigger Than Life</em>, <em>Bitter Victory</em> and the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STROoz6MhJI&feature=youtu.be&t=3m35s">hallucinatory Western</a> <em>Johnny Guitar</em> made intensely emotional films about isolated people, often infused with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDQ-QXP0RBM">profound desperation</a> and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOnVe6_M_nKs&ei=aJQ-ToHaDMmGsAKuvrD-DQ&usg=AFQjCNGnBFJbVeivrG_pReM7g4kA3V95RA">a sense of the nightmarish</a>. Francois Truffaut dubbed him "the poet of nightfall," while Jean-Luc Godard simply declared that "the cinema is Nicholas Ray." He studied architecture under Frank Lloyd Wright, <a href="http://www.jim-jarmusch.net/miscellanea/author_jim_jarmusch/appraisals/nicholas_ray.html">mentored Jim Jarmusch</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flxiW4A32Yw&feature=related">let Wim Wenders film him as he was dying of cancer</a>. Bob Dylan even <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2bxiU_Z6mc&feature=related">wrote</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIQLIx2Onw">a hit song</a> about <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053244/">one of his movies</a>. <br /><br />Ray Reading and Viewing Online:
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<li>Carloss James Chamberlin's notorious "<a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2006/38/bitter_victory/">Regarding <em>Bitter Victory</em>,</a>" possibly the greatest piece of film criticism about Nicholas Ray written since his death. (Don't forget to read the <a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2006/38/bitter_victory/#18">footnotes</a>.)
<li>A few other Nicholas Ray pieces from <em>Senses of Cinema</em>: <a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/bigger-than-life/">Adrian Danks on <em>Bigger Than Life</em></a>, <a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2011/cteq/the-heart-is-a-%E2%80%9Clonely%E2%80%9D-hunter-on-nicholas-ray%E2%80%99s-in-a-lonely-place/">Serena Bramble on <em>In a Lonely Place</em></a> and<a href="http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2011/cteq/party-girl/"> Steve Rybin on <em>Party Girl</em>.</a>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROl3tQ3zhcU">A 1975 documentary about Ray, "I'm a Stranger Here Myself"</a> (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m5-X5d1as8">parts 2</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK4_RnXbPGQ">3</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmK1yjKOR8I">4</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5ZH2Ita7c">5</a>, & <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWbgNg06GKY">6</a>).
<li><a href="http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/?p=23352">Jonathan Rosenbaum's 1981 piece on Ray</a>, plus Rosenbaum on <a href="http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/?p=21004">a Ray retrospective from the same year</a> and<a href="http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/?p=6045"> on <em>Bitter Victory</em> in 2004</a>.
<li>Roger Ebert on <a href="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/REVIEWS08/650962984/1023"><em>Johnny Guitar</em></a> (" one of the most blatant psychosexual melodramas ever to disguise itself in that most commodious of genres, the Western") and <a href="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090813/REVIEWS08/908139995/1023"><em>In a Lonely Place</em></a>.
<li><a href="http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1112652,00.html">David Thomson on Ray</a>.
<li><em>The Janitor</em>, a rare French-language short contributed by Ray (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWEpKLxQt40&feature=related">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccFXVRDP7t4&feature=related">Part 2</a>) to <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072396/">a 1974 erotic omnibus</a>. (Bonus points: check out who uploaded it!)
<li><a href="http://notcoming.com/features/nicholasray/">Not Coming to a Theater Near You's exhaustive collection</a> of essays on the films of Nicholas Ray: <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/theylivebynight/"><em>They Live By Night</em></a>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/knockonanydoor/">Knock on Any Door</a></em>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/awomanssecret/">A Woman's Secret</a></em>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/inalonelyplace/"><em>In a Lonely Place</em></a>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/borntobebad/"><em>Born to Be Bad</em></a>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/ondangerousground/">On Dangerous Ground</a></em>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/macao/">Josef von Sternberg's <em>Macao</em></a> (on which Ray did uncredited reshoots), <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/thelustymen/">The Lusty Men</a></em>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/johnnyguitar/"><em>Johnny Guitar</em></a>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/highgreenwall/">High Green Wall</a></em>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/rebelwithoutacause/">Rebel Without a Cause</a></em>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/hotblood/"><em>Hot Blood</em></a>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/biggerthanlife/">Bigger Than Life</a></em>, <a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/bittervictory/"><em>Bitter Victory</em></a>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/thetruestoryofjessejames/">The True Story of Jesse James</a></em>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/partygirl/">Party Girl</a></em>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/king-of-kings/">King of Kings</a></em>, <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/55daysatpeking/">55 Days at Peking</a></em> (a financial disaster that effectively ended Ray's Hollywood career), <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/thejanitor/">The Janitor</a></em> and the Wim Wenders documentary <em><a href="http://notcoming.com/reviews/lightningoverwater/">Lightning Over Water</a></em>. Plus, Not Coming's Cullen Gallagher <a href="http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2009/09/04/five-questions-for-cullen-gallagher-about-nicholas-ray">talks about Nicholas Ray</a> at his other gig, <em>The L Magazine</em>.
<li><a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts?category=Homes+for+Strangers">Mubi's essays</a> about <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/homes-for-strangers-the-cinema-of-nicholas-ray">Homes for Strangers</a>, a 2009 Ray retrospective, including Zach Campbell <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-peking-order"> on <em>55 Days at Peking</em></a>, Daniel Kasman on <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-major-and-the-minor-notes-on-two-early-films-by-nicholas-ray"><em>Born to Be Bad</em> and <em>A Woman's Secret</em></a>, David Cairns on <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-split-screen-we-cant-go-home-again-ray-1976"><em>We Can't Go Home Again</em></a>, Kevin Lee on <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/an-arena-of-hurt-a-sexy-video-essay-on-nicholas-rays-the-lusty-men"><em>The Lusty Men</em></a>, and Evan Davis on <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/pain-from-the-beyond-rebel-without-a-cause"><em>Rebel Without a Cause</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/transformations-in-the-swamp-wind-across-the-everglades"><em>Wind Across the Everglades</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-heart-of-the-system-knock-on-any-door"><em>Knock on Any Door</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-first-dream-they-live-by-night"><em>They Live By Night</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/isolation-on-the-frontier-the-lusty-men-and-the-true-story-of-jesse-james"><em>The Lusty Men</em> and <em>The True Story of Jesse James</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/movements-in-abstraction-hot-blood-and-bitter-victory"><em>Hot Blood</em> and <em>Bitter Victory</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-disparities-of-a-studio-journeyman-a-womans-secret-and-on-dangerous-ground"><em>A Woman's Secret</em> and <em>On Dangerous Ground</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/sly-precursors-to-gay-liberation-born-to-be-bad"><em>Born to be Bad</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/loves-delirious-perversions-johnny-guitar"><em>Johnny Guitar</em></a>, <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/watching-the-center-implode-bigger-than-life"><em>Bigger Than Life</em></a>, and <a href="http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/in-a-lonely-place-and-the-dark-side-of-freedom"><em>In a Lonely Place</em></a>.
<li><a href="http://www.lafuriaumana.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=128:mazzatenta&catid=36:bersaglio-di-notte&Itemid=54">Two</a> <a href="http://www.lafuriaumana.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127:farrell&catid=36:bersaglio-di-notte&Itemid=54">remembrances</a> of Ray by former students, and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mg-irc/sets/72057594135692080/">a Flickr set</a> by a third.
<li>Ray's archive has just been <a href="http://www.movingimagearchivenews.org/a-home-for-nicholas-ray/">acquired by the University of Texas</a> (link includes some <a href="http://www.movingimagearchivenews.org/wp-content/gallery/nicholas-ray/ray_notes_directing_001_300dpi.jpg">great scans</a> of the <a href="http://www.movingimagearchivenews.org/wp-content/gallery/nicholas-ray/ray_5625_300dpi.jpg">items being donated</a>).
<li>Bonus: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plz-bhcHryc">Tommy Wiseau pays tribute to Nicholas Ray.</a>
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Well shit, looks like I'm watching Johnny Guitar finally.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856787Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:38:38 -0800SmileyChewtrainBy: SmileyChewtrain
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(thanks!! awesome!!)comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856788Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:38:58 -0800SmileyChewtrainBy: clvrmnky
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This is what the best of the web means. I love that no matter how much you dabble in a subject (French New Wave is one of my favourite film eras) you can always learn about some new connection.
I'll be following these links most of the morning.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856812Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:59:02 -0800clvrmnkyBy: mediareport
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This is great, thanks. Yeah, I'm gonna move Johnny Guitar to the top of the Netflix queue now; I've been meaning to watch it for years.
I saw <i>Bigger Than Life</i> a couple of months ago; James Mason's performance as an increasingly violent father addicted to his meds was amazing, and the melodramatic lighting, direction and pacing is really fun to watch as the story gets darker and darker, culminating in a fairly brave for the time, if over-the-top, climax. It's at least as good as <i>Rebel Without A Cause</i>. I think it's better, actually. There's a <a href="http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/1412-bigger-than-life-somewhere-in-suburbia">good essay</a> about it at the Criterion site as well, but it has spoilers.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856880Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:56:41 -0800mediareportBy: fallacy of the beard
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johnny guitar is indeed my favorite westerncomment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856888Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:05:47 -0800fallacy of the beardBy: not_that_epiphanius
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I know it's wrong but the thought of grabbing the torrent of (64 year old) Bitter Victory and knowing that other Mefites are simultaneously sharing and being shared with makes me happy.
Thank goodness it's just a thought...comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856922Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:31:23 -0800not_that_epiphaniusBy: not_that_epiphanius
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54. I suck at math.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856928Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:34:21 -0800not_that_epiphaniusBy: alexoscar
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<em>in a fairly brave for the time, if over-the-top, climax.</em>
I think the fact that it's over-the-top is the point. For me, that's the moment where it turns from an "issue drama" into a straight-up horror movie. Also: it's got one of the queasiest happy endings ever. Ray directs the final scene in this way that totally lets you know that it's bullshit and that, in reality, nothing is ever going to be right again.
I forgot about that B. Kite essay at Criterion. Glad you posted the link, because B. Kite is always awesome.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856939Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:42:27 -0800alexoscarBy: PinkMoose
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I am writing something longish about Western Masculinity, what my friends call the Cowboy Porn book, though it's not really about Cowboy Porn, and so I have been watching the Lusty Men a few times, and working through meanings and the like. It's his best western, and Mitchum's best performance, but I can't tell you why. The rodeo footage is some of the strongest i've seen, and the omnesicent camera is mocked several times, and it reverses genders, making an erotic melodrama a cowboy movie, but featuring boys, and not featuring drag--so it's an interesting mirror/companion peice to Johnny Guitar, and its taciturn as all hell, and Johnny Guitar is talky, talky, talky...
But mostly I think its feelings of isolation and ennui, same thing that the French picked up, and 40 years after that Unforgiven picked up. Being a man in the American West is lonely, and being a man is lonely and often horribly, violent, and often intensely broken...that seems to be the message.
(Fuck it's even the message of King of Kings, his Jesus movie, with the Lord himself clamboring all over Monument Valley talking like a hood or a surfer of anyone but a mid-eastern Prophet, shooting King of Kings in Ford country had 6 layers of hot sexy irony, 3 of them formal, and 2 of them about sex and gender. )
Here's a still from The Lusty Men: "
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KRrGpLGPco">says what i me an</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856946Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:46:57 -0800PinkMooseBy: alexoscar
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<em>being a man is lonely and often horribly, violent, and often intensely broken...that seems to be the message.</em>
I'd say that that' the message of pretty much every Nicholas Ray movie, except for the ones where the message is "being young is lonely," "being a woman is lonely" or, in the case of<em> We Can't Go Home Again</em>," being Nicholas Ray is lonely and often horribly violent." The man sure had some demons, and he turned them into movies because he thought everybody else had these demons, too (which is essentially true). I love the thing he says at <a href="http://youtu.be/ROl3tQ3zhcU?t=2m57s">the very beginning of "I'm a Stranger Here Myself:"</a>
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My heroes are no more neurotic than the audience. Unless you can feel that a hero is just as fucked up as you are, that you would make the same mistakes that he would make, you can have no satisfaction when he does commit a heroic act. Because then you can say, "Hell, I could have done that too." And that's the obligation of the filmmaker — of the theater-worker — to give a heightened sense of experience to the people who pay to come see his work.
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Exactly!comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3856989Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:13:08 -0800PinkMooseBy: blucevalo
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When all is said and done he's probably my favorite director -- toss-up between him and Hitchcock, but Hitchcock wasn't a tragic figure in the way Nicholas Ray was. I can't think of a better movie by an American director than "In a Lonely Place" -- so dark, so subversive to the dominant messages in mainstream film at the time, so amazingly eloquent about obsession and violence and missed chances and heartache and the shadow side of the American dream, as so many of his movies are.
It's great to see that there are at least two new biographies of him out now -- in commemoration of his 100th. That tale from his adolescence in LaCrosse, WI, of tracking down his father's mistress in a speakeasy and having her take him to a fleabag flophouse on the edge of town to a dark room where he found his dad lying drenched in sweat and vomit with "puke pans" on the floor at the side of the bed, whereupon the teen took the dad home to nurse him back to health, hits home for me in more ways than I can ever describe.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3857075Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:26:19 -0800blucevaloBy: blucevalo
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Oh, and thank you, alexoscar, for the wonderful post.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3857107Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:49:50 -0800blucevaloBy: incandissonance
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Being a Wim Wenders fan I've seen Lightning Over Water, but I've neglected Nicholas Ray. That's for all the great info and for the clearing up the mystery of the Mighty Quinn.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3857361Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:57:12 -0800incandissonanceBy: alexoscar
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<em>Being a Wim Wenders fan I've seen Lightning Over Water, but I've neglected Nicholas Ray. That's for all the great info and for the clearing up the mystery of the Mighty Quinn.</em>
Yeah, it kind of blew my mind the first time I read about that. I think Dylan mentions it in <em>Chronicles</em>.
Speaking of Ray and Wenders, <em>Until the End of the World</em> is named after the last line of dialogue in Ray's <em>King of Kings</em>. And, of course, Ray also <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hIZ76Zlds">appears in a supporting role</a> in <em>The American Friend</em> (with Dennis Hopper, whom Ray gave his first screen role in <em>Rebel Without a Cause</em>).comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3857380Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:12:00 -0800alexoscarBy: jonp72
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<i>I can't think of a better movie by an American director than "In a Lonely Place" -- so dark, so subversive to the dominant messages in mainstream film at the time, so amazingly eloquent about obsession and violence and missed chances and heartache and the shadow side of the American dream, as so many of his movies are.</i>
A major factor in creating that feel with In A Lonely Place was Nicholas Ray directing his own wife, Gloria Grahame, when their marriage was falling apart. Years later, Gloria Grahame would get remarried to Nicholas Ray's own son. That's practically a plot point you would find in one of Nicholas Ray's movies.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3857531Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:43:01 -0800jonp72By: Rykey
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Got to take a class on Ray's films, where he quickly became a favorite of mine. What a cool guy and awesome filmmaker. Thanks for this!comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3858726Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:51:04 -0800RykeyBy: afx237vi
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For any Mefites in the UK, Johnny Guitar is being shown on More4 at 10am on Thursday. The only Ray film I've seen is In a Lonely Place, and that was brilliant, so I'll be recording it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2011:site.106282-3858983Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:31:23 -0800afx237vi
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