Comments on: All I want is to be left alone in my average home... But why do I always feel I'm in the twilight zone?

All I want is to be left alone in my average home... But why do I always feel I'm in the twilight zone?

zarq — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:55:49 -0800

In August 2011, 35 ACLU affiliates filed 381 requests in 32 states with local law enforcement agencies seeking to uncover when, why and how they are using cell phone location data to track Americans. So how long do American cell phone carriers retain information about your calls, text messages, and data use? According to data gathered by the US Department of Justice, it can be as little as a few days or up to seven years, depending on your provider. (Via / More)

By: empath

empath — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:05:03 -0800

Not cell phone related, but I get subpoenas literally every day, sometimes 2 or 3 a day, asking for IP addresses for customers -- we keep DHCP records for a year.

By: entropicamericana

entropicamericana — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:06:17 -0800

Gee, how did I know AT&T was going to be the one who keeps them for seven years?

By: hal_c_on

hal_c_on — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:09:49 -0800

Not cell phone related, but I get subpoenas literally every day, sometimes 2 or 3 a day, asking for IP addresses for customers -- we keep DHCP records for a year. Can you define "we"? I'm kinda interested in knowing what kind of work you do. Memail me if its private.

By: pashdown

pashdown — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:12:50 -0800

I get subpoenas literally every day I hope those subpoenas are investigative rather than administrative. I had a long conversation with a local sheriff's office this week about how the administrative subpoena he was planning to send me wasn't constitutional and I wasn't going to respond to it because my ISP company was not a branch of government. He kept forcing "exigent circumstance" on the discussion and I told him that if getting a proper warrant took their enforcement division too long, then they needed to look into that rather than prying the arm of the legislature with "child protection" so they could water down the constitutional process with a "law" that wasn't constitutional.

By: villanelles at dawn

villanelles at dawn — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:18:26 -0800

Episode 60,003 in an ongoing series: God bless the ACLU.

By: jeffburdges

jeffburdges — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:51:35 -0800

I'll post some random privacy related stories : Florida school district begins fingerprinting scanning students FBI leaves cleared names on terrorist watch list There should really be a front page post on facial recognition advancements too : FBI to launch nationwide facial recognition service Cloud-powered facial recognition is terrifying Big brother calls 'shotgun' in Illinois Army tracking plan: Drones that never forget a face (via the drone fpp) DHS goes ahead with 'pre-crime' detection project In all fairness, they've had considerable 'success' with their current 'pre-crime' project.

By: empath

empath — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:18:51 -0800

I hope those subpoenas are investigative rather than administrative. I dunno, I'm not in legal, I just search the logs. I'm kinda interested in knowing what kind of work you do. I work for an ISP.

By: gingerbeer

gingerbeer — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:20:21 -0800

And just this evening, California Governor Jerry Brown vetoed a bill, SB 914, that would have required a search warrant to search cell phones.

By: Twang

Twang — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:00:28 -0800

It might be worth mentioning, for the benefit of a few, that removing the battery from a phone ends the tracking. Installing an off-switch does it more conveniently. As does sticking the phone in a shielded container, or putting it where the Ma don't shine. Then you can choose to play when you want to.

By: Danf

Danf — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:14:12 -0800

I lost a good friend this week. In his obit: His wife, [name redacted], and daughters [names redacted] would appreciate contributions in his memory to Northern California ACLU. How can I not?

By: grouse

grouse — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:24:32 -0800

I work for an ISP. Woman on Plane: Which ISP do you work for? Narrator: A major one.

By: RobotVoodooPower

RobotVoodooPower — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:24:51 -0800

It may also be interesting to hit Google News and search for "secret court order google sonic" for a new WSJ article.

By: empath

empath — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:25:35 -0800

Narrator: A major one. There aren't a lot left that aren't major ones.

By: RobotVoodooPower

RobotVoodooPower — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:30:26 -0800

Sorry, "secret orders target email" will get you right to the WSJ article past the paywall.

By: wachhundfisch

wachhundfisch — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:42:58 -0800

In the European Union, this nonsense is official policy. All member states are required to issue a law placing telecommunication providers under the obligation to store data including the location of a cell phone for ½ to 2 years. By now, most EU members have implemented such laws, except for Sweden (whose government opposes it, perhaps because of the influence of the Piratpartiet) and the Czech Republic and Germany (where national courts have declared the proposed laws unconstitutional). At least in German-speaking Europe, data retention has been a mainstream news issue for years. > Gee, how did I know AT&T was going to be the one who keeps them for seven years? That's because they are the Britta of companies.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:39:06 -0800

except for Sweden (whose government opposes it, perhaps because of the influence of the Piratpartiet) ...or a small, well-educated population. Perhaps one begets the other.

By: adamvasco

adamvasco — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:16:18 -0800

Meanwhile: The U.S. government obtained secret court orders to force Google Inc and a small Internet provider to hand over information from email accounts of a WikiLeaks volunteer, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.

By: Secret Life of Gravy

Secret Life of Gravy — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:42:36 -0800

From Jeffburdges' first link:

Students now check in with finger scanning devices. School Superintendent Sandra Cook said the old method just wasn't cutting it. "We got to talking about attendance in our district and how it was inconsistent

The old method that worked ever since public schooling began just isn't cutting it so they are going to spend $30.00 per student, per year to scan their fingerprints on the bus. Oh and not all the students take the bus and the scan can be fooled with a gummi bear impression. How incompetent are their teachers that they can't do a simple head count?

By: jeffburdges

jeffburdges — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:56:57 -0800

I'm afraid you've missed the point that this finger scanning permits school districts to further optimize their expenses by hiring less competent teachers, Secret Life of Gravy. Imagine how much tax revenue could be redirected to critical administrative functions if teachers aren't expected to be any more competent than Walmart employees!

By: fuq

fuq — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:20:51 -0800

One would think that for paranoid national security, cell phone batteries would be better engineered not to die when I'm out and about. How are they going to track me wh

By: ctmf

ctmf — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:15:44 -0800

Will the credit card company be able to see that, yes, I did travel to Japan for 3 months and then upstate NY for 2 months, and not turn off my card every week or so for suspected fraud? Ok, great.

By: Hylas

Hylas — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:50:24 -0800

Gee, how did I know AT&T was going to be the one who keeps them for seven years? Consumers who'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements might not want to go with the company that uses the Death Star as its corporate logo. I'm just saying. What I find interesting is the fact that, if you are a criminal defendant, most large telecoms will claim that "no such records were found" or will fight tooth and claw to avoid disclosure if you ever need such records for your defense. That pretty clearly says that they're more interested in protecting government power than about anything else.

By: empath

empath — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:14:54 -0800

That pretty clearly says that they're more interested in protecting government power than about anything else. Not really. It's more that the government can make life very difficult for them in ways that you can't, and you just don't spend enough money to make it worth their time.

By: homunculus

homunculus — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:46:10 -0800

Calif. Governor Veto Allows Warrantless Cellphone Searches

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:15:50 -0800

Jerry Brown vetoed that? I'm sorry. Who holds what threat over Jerry Brown, to get that? It seems seriously out of character to me. Or was the whole "Moonbeam" thing so much clever PR crap by his own team?

By: Hylas

Hylas — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:58:45 -0800

I'm sorry. Who holds what threat over Jerry Brown, to get that? It seems seriously out of character to me. Or was the whole "Moonbeam" thing so much clever PR crap by his own team? It probably has more to do with his being the former AG and the powerful pro-law-enforcement lobby that values a powerless and docile citizenry over any policy consideration that might undercut that. His veto statement [pdf] claims courts are better suited to evaluated "complex" and "case-specific" issues. That's true to a certain extent, but it misses the point--the Legislature is well placed to make general policy statements concerning whether police should get warrants before they disturb the persons or papers (electronic or otherwise) of citizens. It also ignores how easy it is for police to obtain a warrant telephonically, even outside normal business hours.

By: jeffburdges

jeffburdges — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:22:11 -0800

NYT: You Want to Track Me? Here You Go, F.B.I. MeFi: Senators Wyden, Kirk, and Chaffetz have introduced a bill to halt warrantless GPS tracking.