Comments on: Christopher Alexander

Christopher Alexander

Trurl — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:24 -0800

A Pattern Language explores the living structure in good and bad buildings, human artifacts, and natural systems, discussing the presence of the same living order in all systems. [Christopher] Alexander proposes that the living order depends on features which make a close connection with the human self. The quality of works of art, artifacts, and buildings is defined not merely in terms of living structure, but also in their capacity to affect human growth and human well-being.

By: infini

infini — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:59:20 -0800

While its a lovely book, I've a very strong feeling its been doubled (or even tripled on here). I remember bookmarking it the first time. Well not quite exactly but here is the mention

By: Yowser

Yowser — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:09:41 -0800

Insert comment about how brilliant it is to take Alexander's ideas, throw a bunch of completely software ideas together, call them patterns, walk to the bank as four very rich men.

By: Mei's lost sandal

Mei's lost sandal — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:20 -0800

It is a great book, a rich treasure trove of design ideas (and I mean from the architectural and planning point of view) that was very helpful as we worked on our old house; one of the favorite books on my shelf. But I have had the (glib) feeling more than once that at its heart it is a blueprint for re-creating Hobbiton.

By: cribcage

cribcage — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:26:20 -0800

Pattern 159, Light on Two Sides of Every Room, is not only insightful architectural advice but also one of my personal most-used metaphors. It is as roundly relevant in life as any of Aesop's best fables.

Rooms lit on two sides, with natural light, create less glare around people and objects; this lets us see things more intricately; and most important, it allows us to read in detail the minute expressions that flash across people's faces, the motion of their hands . . . and thereby understand, more clearly, the meaning they are after. The light on two sides allows people to understand each other.

Light from two sides. This adage is wise in many contexts.

By: FLAG (BASTARD WATER.) (Acorus Adulterinus.)

FLAG (BASTARD WATER.) (Acorus Adulterinus.) — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:41:51 -0800

Pattern 204: SECRET PLACE Where can the need for concealment be expressed; the need to hide; the need for something precious to be lost, and then revealed? We believe that there is a need in people to live with a secret place in their homes: a place that is used in special ways, and revealed only at very special moments. . . . Make a place in the house, perhaps only a few feet square, which is kept locked and secret; a place which is virtually impossible to discover -- until you have been shown where it is; a place where the archives of the house, or other more potent secrets, might be kept. Classic types of secret places are the panel that slides back, revealing the cavity in the wall, the loose board beneath the rug, the trap door -- CLOSETS BETWEEN ROOMS (198), THICKENING THE OUTER WALLS (211), FLOOR-CEILING VAULTS (219). . . .

By: FLAG (BASTARD WATER.) (Acorus Adulterinus.)

FLAG (BASTARD WATER.) (Acorus Adulterinus.) — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:42:15 -0800

(Best book ever.)

By: the man of twists and turns

the man of twists and turns — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:45:46 -0800

An excellent book - I'm slowly reading it now, and I feel it really speaks to me. If ever I get to design/renovate that house, I will be seriously considering some of the ideas found in it, and the other books: The Timeless Way of Building and The Oregon Experiement Sadly, his website suffers from severe bad design.

By: Trurl

Trurl — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:48:00 -0800

Sadly, his website suffers from severe bad design. So much so that I didn't want to link to it - lest someone say "What could he know about design?"

By: scalefree

scalefree — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:17:30 -0800

But I have had the (glib) feeling more than once that at its heart it is a blueprint for re-creating Hobbiton. You say that like it's a bad thing.

By: Vibrissae

Vibrissae — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:18:48 -0800

"A Pattern Language" is not a book to read, cover to cover. It's really a compendium of what WORKS in vernacular architecture, at human scale - meant to be dipped into as a kind of human vernacular operating manual. It's notable that Alexander was initially trained as a mathematician. I have referenced Alexander's works many times, but one of his references stands out. His researchers discovered that once you get beyond 3-4 stories, you are removed from the life of the street, or byway. I've never forgotten that, and when I travel always make a point to request a room no higher than the 3rd floor. There are at least a thousand gems like this in the book. Anyone who cares about architecture, city planning, community, etc. should have this book. Here's a good academic biography of Alexander

By: scalefree

scalefree — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:19:45 -0800

But I have had the (glib) feeling more than once that at its heart it is a blueprint for re-creating Hobbiton.

Where can the need for concealment be expressed; the need to hide; the need for something precious to be lost, and then revealed?

Hmm, you may be on to something here.

By: Harald74

Harald74 — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:43:56 -0800

As a software engineer, I got in in my head to read A Pattern Language, if not just for the bragging rights. I had it on my night table, and read a few patterns each night. Slowly and surely it changed the way I approached architecture, and really how I approached the physical world around me. Examples: I like 110 Main Entrance and 112 Entrance Transition mentioned on this page. How many modern buildings break these two patterns? Before I read it spelled out, I had no idea what was wrong with a building, just this feeling of unease. I'd recommend this book for anyone, really.

By: The River Ivel

The River Ivel — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:07:53 -0800

I just got my copy of this back after lending it to my cousin, whilst she studied architecture. A timely reminder! It's a book you can really lose yourself in.

By: leibniz

leibniz — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:23:29 -0800

I think this is a great book, and actually works as a practical guide to architecture. However, it does not fulfill the promise of its title- which suggests that it will boil down the various forms of architecture to their essential conceptual structures. Rather it has a definite ideology concerning how people should live-i.e. in as 'natural' a way as possible (with certain ideas about what environments humans are most naturally adapted to). What I was really hoping for however, when I picked it up, was something that really functions as a language of architecture because it can take a highly abstract concept like 'transition' or 'container' and provide a grammar that systematically delineates the ways in which such things can vary.

By: Tom-B

Tom-B — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:39:04 -0800

> But I have had the (glib) feeling more than once that at its heart it is a blueprint for re-creating Hobbiton. Nope, in THE SHAPE OF INDOOR SPACE he denounces "organic and hippielike" architecture as "as irrational, as much based on images and fantasies as the rigid crystals they are trying to replace", and goes on to argue that the best shape for a house is made up of rough rectangles.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:40:26 -0800

Hmm I wonder then what his opinion of Jugendstil would have been

By: Tom-B

Tom-B — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:49:15 -0800

>However, it does not fulfill the promise of its title- which suggests that it will boil down the various forms of architecture to their essential conceptual structures. You need later books for that, in The Nature of Order vol.1 he delineates the 15 essential properties of design >Rather it has a definite ideology concerning how people should live-i.e. in as 'natural' a way as possible (with certain ideas about what environments humans are most naturally adapted to). The main thing in his work is that it's based on human feeling rather than nature, he argues that even with cultural and personal variation, at the core human feeling is roughly the same for everyone, in this way design can be objective. In The Nature of Order vol.1 there's a whole chapter based on André Kertesz's photos of Paris in the 20s, the argument being that it's a wholly artificial environment, and yet it works because it makes possible for human feeling to express itself.

By: Tom-B

Tom-B — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:51:30 -0800

> Hmm I wonder then what his opinion of Jugendstil would have been He probably loves it! (he's still alive). Modern reinterpretations such as the dancing house, not so much.

By: Tom-B

Tom-B — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:53:04 -0800

trurl, thank you for this post! Christopher Alexander is my favorite artist ever, I've been studying his work since 2003. For me he's the guy who's gone the deepest into the mystery of human creativity.

By: Trurl

Trurl — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:07:18 -0800

(Best book ever.) Stewart Brand said it might be the most useful book in all of The Next Whole Earth Catalog - which is tantamount to the same thing.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:25:58 -0800

The main thing in his work is that it's based on human feeling rather than nature, he argues that even with cultural and personal variation, at the core human feeling is roughly the same for everyone, in this way design can be objective. Yes. I can attest to this.

By: thsmchnekllsfascists

thsmchnekllsfascists — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:46:04 -0800

I have the book on my shelf, but I have to be very careful taking it down. If I'm not cautious, I get sucked in for days following all the little rabbit holes. (see compelling structure, 221) (see addictive personality 251)

By: Jode

Jode — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:53:42 -0800

We read a passage from this book at the funeral of a friend.

By: Jehan

Jehan — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:03:11 -0800

It's such a great book, yet so easy to dip into and experience the knowledge within. His researchers discovered that once you get beyond 3-4 stories, you are removed from the life of the street, or byway. I've never forgotten that, and when I travel always make a point to request a room no higher than the 3rd floor. I have doubt that he prescribes that, but I seem to recall this issue was researched elsewhere before Alexander.

By: paradise

paradise — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:07:00 -0800

personal disclosure: i originally joined metafilter over ten years ago as user worldsystema to post about christopher alexander and the patternlanguage site coming online and if you will please forgive the self links, i recently nominated him for the templeton prize whilst being aware of the contrary opinion of richard dawkins "a pattern language" is the bible of the architecture of anarchy and the single best guide to creating HEAVEN ON EARTH (0) currently available in design theory and practice. it constitutes the seeds of an extremely powerful moral, political and economic critique of our society which for its complete realization will require the inevitable displacement of capitalism in the future christopher alexander will be remembered in the same breath as rene descartes and galileo galilei because in "the nature of order" he has done nothing less than lay the foundations for a new cosmology that will guide our making of the world after the global reset the web presence of this work simply does not do it justice but i am hoping this may change as there is a chance that i will be able to raise the topic with him in march next year

By: paradise

paradise — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:29:35 -0800

also, the best video format intro to his work i can find is the vincent scully prize symposium and the end of his latest talk at berkeley in may 2011

By: michaelh

michaelh — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:31:52 -0800

it is a blueprint for re-creating Hobbiton. It really is. Tolkien and Alexander had similar views of the world.

By: Nelson

Nelson — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:32:02 -0800

I love this book too but I've always wondered, is it influential on actual architecture? It seems to be to architecture what Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is to philosophy. And I don't mean that kindly. Maybe the book is influential more on do-it-yourself architecture. I have a friend who built a cabin in the Berkshires using this book as inspiration and it came out just fine. I certainly have enjoyed reading it and using it to reflect on building design. But I know enough professional architects to wonder if the book does more than give amateurs warm fuzzy feelings.

By: paradise

paradise — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:42:39 -0800

michaelh, have you a cite for that?

By: echo target

echo target — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:48:37 -0800

I've wondered the same thing, Nelson. I love the book and don't quite understand why the reaction of architects in general has been to ignore it. There's been some influence, though - I believe Sarah Susanka (of the Not So Big House) is a fan. Fans of A Pattern Language who want to see how you might put some of his ideas into a house may be interested in her books.

By: skyscraper

skyscraper — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:09:23 -0800

The University of Oregon adopted the idea of a pattern language for campus planning. I'm don't ahve personal experienceon how it's worked out long-range as I haven't been back for decades but there's some mention of good/bad in my link. The thing to note here is that the book is called A Pattern Language not The Pattern Language - part of Alexander's point is that you can develop your own pattern languages (and not just about architecture) by observing what works and distilling patterns from your observations.

By: skyscraper

skyscraper — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:11:48 -0800

I'm don't ahve = I don't have. Sheesh.

By: ShooBoo

ShooBoo — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:19:28 -0800

Here's a interview of Alexander on the radio show Studio 360: Alexander told architects and planners to design homes on emotional and spiritual principles – not on traffic flow. The revolution didn't quite come. But the book had a surprising influence on another group of experts: the computer scientists who were just beginning to shape the Internet. In software engineering, his ideas on patterns are frequently used.

By: Zed

Zed — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:49:24 -0800

Sadly, his website suffers from severe bad design. I very briefly did some freelance web development consulting on his website a decade ago. He was very dedicated to his ideas for it, which is to say, to re-inventing every wheel.

By: michaelh

michaelh — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:34:51 -0800

michaelh, have you a cite for that? It is my own opinion from reading them and some people they had both read like Ruskin. Here's a link I googled to give an idea of Alexander's mindset. http://booksontrial.wordpress.com/authors/christopher-alexander/

By: Carmody'sPrize

Carmody'sPrize — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:16:52 -0800

Within the profession, and from my personal experience, architects like what Alexander has to say, but are deeply suspicious of anything that smacks of a recipe. As in "How can I get a cascade of roofs without it looking like that sketch in the book?" If you know an architect, you can probably get a whole dinner conversation out of it. When I was in school in the late eighties, this was required reading.

By: Eyebrows McGee

Eyebrows McGee — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:25:06 -0800

#110 Main Entrance drives me CRAZY about schools. With modern buildings you so often can't tell where the main entrance is. It's worse when it's an old building and they've moved the main entrance to a side entrance, because the "real" main entrance has been locked up because visitor entry couldn't be controlled. If it's not visually obvious where to enter a school, for the LOVE OF GOD put a yard sign that says "Visitors' entrance this way." They cost like $30. It makes them so unwelcoming as community gathering spots when there's no obvious main entrance, or the main entrance has been moved. In many of our recent renovations of older buildings, we've put fairly significant funds into the main entrance and to visitor control in the main entrance. It's improving because we have good architects, but still maybe 1/3 of the buildings in the district I go to and I can't tell how to get into the parking lot, where visitors park, and/or where the damn door is.

By: paradise

paradise — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:47:04 -0800

michaelh, thank you for that link. there are some nice quotes there that i had not seen before stratford caldecott nominated him for the templeton prize in 2009 and has written on tolkien but i must admit i feel disinclined to connect the two