Comments on: John Romero's "Daikatana"

John Romero's "Daikatana"

Egg Shen — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:21:39 -0800

Knee Deep in a Dream: The Story of Daikatana

In reality, the legend of Daikatana paints it as a far more joyless game than it was. Released to middling rather than atrocious reviews, it fell victim to the hype machine more than anything else. It was a frequently miserable, turgid, over-long and frustrating shooter, but the gaming world has seen far worse, and its failures were often so surreal as to be brilliant.

By: radwolf76

radwolf76 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:25:43 -0800

Years later, and Romero's still hard at work making you his bitch.

By: zabuni

zabuni — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:33:38 -0800

Romero without Carmack is all heart, no brains. Carmack without Romero is all brains, no heart. Shame they couldn't keep working together. Although in some respects I think neither or them were very good at creating game systems, and that the corridor based FPS/arena styled multiplayer has been pretty well explored. If you want to get a reall good overview of the rise and fall of the partnership, Masters of Doom is a pretty decent book about it.

By: Artw

Artw — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:37:06 -0800

/plays Dule Nukem Forever while listening to Chinese Democracy.

By: neckro23

neckro23 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:39:36 -0800

Daikatana may have been an enormous flop, and Romero may have had more than a little bit of ego floating around, but Ion Storm will forever be dear to my heart for making possible one of the best PC games of all time.

By: BrotherCaine

BrotherCaine — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:40:09 -0800

Daikatana is anathema to me for its part in killing Looking Glass.

By: neckro23

neckro23 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:43:03 -0800

(And of course, TFA frames the story the same way I did. Silly me.)

By: nushustu

nushustu — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:00:42 -0800

In 1999, I worked for a small theater in Dallas. We had a newly commissioned play coming out, and part of it was set inside a computer. The script called for the protagonist and antagonist to fight in cyberspace. We worked with Ion Storm to create the battle, to be projected onto the back wall of the theater for the scene. Ion Storm was a nice place, occupying the top two floors of the tallest building in Dallas, but you could tell there were problems. The top floor, where all the programmers worked, had giant glass walls and ceilings. As a result, all of the programmers had to throw big black curtains over their cubes like tents, just to be able to see their monitors. You know how sometimes you can just feel fear? From other people? You can almost smell it? That's what this place was like. It was filled with toys, and scooters and all of those fun things that video game companies and start-ups all had before the bubble burst, but it was dead. quiet. around there. Just sad. The final product that they gave us was kind of neat, but not too impressive. I had a chance to look at it again a couple of years ago: yikes. Really bad in retrospect.

By: Redfield

Redfield — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:12:20 -0800

I've never played Daikatana (wasn't my thing), but I did recently play the Game Boy Color Daikatana which was developed by an obscure Japanese developer (the same people who made echochrome) and published by Kemco. It was actually a pretty decent Game Boy game with some amusing dialogue. "I have a very important story to tell you, as long as you are a real Samurai". I'm guessing a lot of people passed over the Game Boy game because of how reviled the PC game was.

By: Redfield

Redfield — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:17:26 -0800

"Porter also says that the employees on Daikatana were given the best equipment money could buy, including two 21-inch monitors and $700 office chairs."

I'm sure the game ran pretty great on that office chair, though.

By: the christopher hundreds

the christopher hundreds — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:44 -0800

Obligatory.

By: chrominance

chrominance — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:32:11 -0800

The office that made Deus Ex and Thief: Deadly Shadows, Ion Storm Austin, was largely absent from the drama surrounding Ion Storm Dallas. Warren Spector ran the Austin office and brought a ton of Looking Glass personnel with him, and it shows—no one remembers Daikatana and Anachronox now except as curiosities, while Thief remains a cult classic and Deus Ex has become one of the most revered PC gaming franchises of all time (despite the sequel failing to live up to most people's expectations). Also worth noting: besides Warren Spector, the other big name you're most likely to recognize (but mainly if you're really into game technology or Halo) is Corrinne Yu, who's the only person I can think of that approaches John Carmack levels of crazy genius. She's worked on or built a ton of 3D gaming engines, from Build all the way up to the engine that powers Halo. And it turns out she did nuclear physics research in her spare time.

By: Joakim Ziegler

Joakim Ziegler — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:41:23 -0800

chrominance: "Corrinne Yu, who's the only person I can think of that approaches John Carmack levels of crazy genius. She's worked on or built a ton of 3D gaming engines, from Build all the way up to the engine that powers Halo. And it turns out she did nuclear physics research in her spare time." Holy shit. That might actually surpass Carmack, did he ever do anything like that outside of programming?

By: Ad hominem

Ad hominem — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:53:36 -0800

Carmack founded Armadillo Aerospace to compete for the X prize.

By: zabuni

zabuni — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:58:17 -0800

did he ever do anything like that outside of programming? rocket science?

By: clvrmnky

clvrmnky — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:17:31 -0800

Why don't gamer and tech web sites have copy editors?

By: ropeladder

ropeladder — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:41:09 -0800

I never played Daikatana, but I did pick up a cheap copy of Anachronox well after it had flopped. The game had its flaws (mostly that it lacked the polish of the JRPGs it tried to emulate) but was a vast, funny, and generally very enjoyable. The level environments were particularly fantastic. Would have loved to play a sequel.

By: jake

jake — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:50:29 -0800

A game just shipped (today, in fact) which I've been slaving over for the past year, and which is currently getting insanely polarized reviews. Like 3/10 from one place and 9/10 from another. Nerves are completely shredded with all the ups and downs. Reading this is super cathartic. I met John Romero last year at GDC; he's an extremely warm, kind-hearted dude, and surprisingly humble about his past. I got the sense that he's matured significantly over the years, and the projects he's doing now are comparatively tiny in scope, but polished and well-managed. To me, that's extremely respectable, seeing as many of us kill ourselves with endless 100+ hour work weeks just so some buttlord at IGN can holler about his childhood being grievously offended.

By: infinitywaltz

infinitywaltz — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:11:40 -0800

no one remembers Daikatana and Anachronox now except as curiosities Anachronox was awesome!

By: hap_hazard

hap_hazard — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:31:52 -0800

here si a list of weapons yuo may obtaine in Daiektiantia: Episode 1: 12000 BC in athens, Greek: WEAPON 1 - Vemoniss stick WEAPON 2 - pointey stick WEAPON 3 - sstick with block on teh end of it WEAPON 4 - death frisbee WAEPON 5 - fire stick WEPON 6 - Eyeball on a stick WEAPONE 7 - HOLODUKE Yeah, jeffk is responsible for every single thing I know about DAIKATITNA. Won't be posting again in this thread, I promise!

By: Monday, stony Monday

Monday, stony Monday — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:43:19 -0800

A $3 MILLION BUDGET!?@ A FIFTY PERSON TEAM!? These people were crazy. These days all games are made by single-person shops we feed with ramen and diet coke.

By: Ad hominem

Ad hominem — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:04:03 -0800

There was also a crazy dose of gamer sexism swirling around Stevie "killcreek" Case. The big joke at the time was that most of the budget for Daikatana was spent on plastic surgery for Killcreek.

By: chemoboy

chemoboy — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:08:21 -0800

This still sums up my thoughts on this game. It was true before it came out and was more true after. If that is even possible.

By: straight

straight — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:36:32 -0800

I've never played the game, but Superfly Johnson is one of the greatest video game character names ever.

By: Dr-Baa

Dr-Baa — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:32:19 -0800

Superfly's Johnson.

By: Gordion Knott

Gordion Knott — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:32:31 -0800

>This still sums up my thoughts on this game. It was true before it came out and was more true after. If that is even possible. Word. And, how could they have come up with a name as ridiculous as "Daikatana"? It's non-existent in Japanese--it's mangled Japanese grammar, in fact. What's more, large parts of the game are set in other countries, IIRC. Why not call the game Big Fucking Sword and leave it at that?

By: ga$money

ga$money — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:22:50 -0800

Reading this article was like compiling a list of game development mistakes. *New tech, new team, new concept *Design given free rein at the expense of tech (as though hardware / software constraints are a matter of the engineering team not being properly under design's thumb) *Massive design documents that few people will read and will become almost instantly obsolete *Schedule based on employees not yet hired *Employees hired without relevant experience *Schedule based on the mythical man-month *Ship date announced before working prototype is in place *Unique assets requiring considerable dev time that aren't reused (the silver crocodile found only on one level) *High overhead from supercool new offices I'm only thirteen pages in. I wonder what adventures are still in store?

By: ga$money

ga$money — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:56:07 -0800

I started a follow up list, but I started to feel so sorry for those guys, I stopped.