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Comments on MetaFilter post Norwegian WoodWed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Norwegian Wood
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/world/europe/in-norway-tv-program-on-firewood-elicits-passions.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp&pagewanted=all">"Solid Wood: All About Chopping, Drying and Stacking Wood — and the Soul of Wood-Burning"</a> This best selling book by Lars Mytting highlights a passion for firewood and inspired a TV program in Norway about cutting, stacking and burning firewood. <em>The TV program, on the topic of firewood, consisted mostly of people in parkas chatting and chopping in the woods and then eight hours of a fire burning in a fireplace. Yet no sooner had it begun, on prime time on Friday night, than the angry responses came pouring in. "We received about 60 text messages from people complaining about the stacking in the program," said [Mr.] Mytting .... "Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down."</em>post:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:36:39 -0800caddiswoodfirewoodpassionfirefireplaceNorwayMyttingbooktvyulelogBy: caddis
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835026
As someone who has cut and stacked firewood, and burned about a gazillion fires in the fireplace, I can relate to this passion. The bark goes up by the way.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835026Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800caddisBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835031
Why does it go up? Because you said so?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835031Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:41:36 -0800theloniusBy: Old'n'Busted
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835033
I put mine the side, and then when it dries, I peel it off and cook it with butter, the way God intended.
And doesn't faketroversy sound a lot like toilet paper under-over?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835033Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:04 -0800Old'n'BustedBy: mr. digits
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835034
The game is seasoning one's wood so that it's nice and dry (after a year or so) and burns efficiently in the stove. Some must believe that having the bark up will help the wood to repel water and dry more quickly.
I'm of the "howsoever contributes to the stability of the pile"-type stacker, though I secretly envy those sexy conical piles that one sees here and there.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835034Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:35 -0800mr. digitsBy: Malor
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835035
It goes up because the bark keeps rain from soaking into the wood, presumably speeding the drying/seasoning process.
It's not perfect, but if the wood faces up, rain soaks straight in. The bark helps shed quite a bit of it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835035Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:49 -0800MalorBy: DisreputableDog
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835036
I guess bark up kinda makes sense to an outside non-chopping observer: Bark protects trees, trees are rained/snowed on, therefore bark would protect chopped wood.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835036Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:52 -0800DisreputableDogBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835038
Doesn't the wood beneath the top layer get shielded from rain by the wood above it?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835038Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:49:52 -0800theloniusBy: RobotVoodooPower
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835039
So this Norweigan wood, it actually *is* good?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835039Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:51:28 -0800RobotVoodooPowerBy: mr. digits
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835040
Indeed it is, <em>thelonious</em>. Yet, a woodpile stacker must obey the inexorable exhortations of their soul.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835040Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:52:41 -0800mr. digitsBy: pipeski
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835043
Bark up might be an advantage if you're going to leave it out in the rain. Otherwise, it's not important.
Also, you can get the wood drier much quicker if you split it down into pieces about 3 inches in diameter - I find that wood I cut in the spring and summer is ready to burn by the winter that way.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835043Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:57:14 -0800pipeskiBy: MtDewd
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835047
I think the most important factor is stacking it so that it doesn't fall down, especially on top of you. Around here the top of the pile usually has some corrugated roofing material on top- presumably this sheds water even better than bark.
And I'm so envious of these 10-20 cord stacks of wood I see in other people's yards.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835047Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:00:09 -0800MtDewdBy: Lipstick Thespian
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835054
Metafilter: Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835054Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:09:53 -0800Lipstick ThespianBy: kinnakeet
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835060
Bark orientation becomes most critical in soggy climes and where the piles won't be covered. But everyone I've ever stacked with goes with bark up, for the reasons given above.
I've spent days in the woods alone with a bow saw cutting up fallen trees, where a day's labor might yield a cold week's worth of wood. But from this I would feel a depth of satisfaction never experienced in any other pursuit. It's a very primal thing.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835060Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:14:21 -0800kinnakeetBy: fatfrank
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835067
<i>"Solid Wood," the title of Mr. Mytting's book, has a double meaning in Norwegian, </i>
*snigger* I'll bet it does...
<i>signifying also a person with a strong, dependable character.</i>
Oh. How disappointingcomment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835067Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:22:36 -0800fatfrankBy: HuronBob
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835068
I'll be right back, I need to go throw a log in the woodstove.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835068Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:22:45 -0800HuronBobBy: GenjiandProust
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835073
Metafilter: sexy conical pilescomment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835073Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:28:07 -0800GenjiandProustBy: zamboni
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835074
<em>those sexy conical piles that one sees here and there.</em>
<a href="http://www.thechimneysweep.ca/6seasoningwood.html">Holz hausen</a> are pretty great.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835074Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:28:26 -0800zamboniBy: DisreputableDog
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835077
bark
ʞɹɐqcomment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835077Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:30:25 -0800DisreputableDogBy: box
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835080
If you like stacking wood, I know a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0500974071/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/">book</a> you might enjoy.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835080Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:31:49 -0800boxBy: Stagger Lee
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835082
Bark up if it's exposed to the elements and weather, bark down if it's well covered and in direct sunlight.
This article seems to be puzzled and amused by the existence of the show, or am I misreading it? What about the show makes less sense than anything else on television?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835082Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:32:43 -0800Stagger LeeBy: GenjiandProust
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835085
<em>I'll be right back, I need to go throw a log in the woodstove.</em>
I predict that this thread wins the "highest number of potential obscure euphemisms" award for the month....comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835085Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:34:05 -0800GenjiandProustBy: Kid Charlemagne
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835086
If you're air drying wood - I mean really air drying wood, with sticker stacks and moisture meters and stuff, the maxim is one year per inch of thickness. If you fail to paint or <a href="http://www.leevalley.com/fr/html/05k9805ie.pdf">PEG</a> (pdf) the ends, though, you'll get checking that goes in 3-6 inches in two or three weeks. The physics of mass drying of wood is going to be a little more complex, but really, I think this is arguing about which side of the crouton it's better to pet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835086Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:42 -0800Kid CharlemagneBy: dubold
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835087
I really want to watch this show, if english subtitles exist. And I really want an english translation of the Lars Mytting book. The article does not tell me if such a thing is possible, and google just shows various permutations of this article. Any ideas?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835087Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:37:42 -0800duboldBy: dubold
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835090
<em>which side of the crouton it's better to pet.</em>
The inside, obviously.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835090Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:38:35 -0800duboldBy: grajohnt
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835091
Typical Norway. People in the East (where the climate is drier, and it's generally sunnier) probably swear that bark-down is the way to go, as it probably allows the wood to dry quicker. In Vestlandet (where I live) they probably swear that bark-down is the way to go, in order to shelter the wood better from the rain (somewhat humorous, since it's typically horizontal rain). Let the holy war commence. I do what most people actually do and throw it in mesh bag to dry (bark everywhichway).
FYI, as a person living in Norway with first-hand experience with cutting down trees and splitting them into firewood, I can tell you for a fact that I have never once seen nor heard of someone actually doing this with an axe. At the rate the Norwegians burn wood, there is no way to split wood with an axe fast enough to supply your demand.
If you want serious controversy, you could observe that most Norwegians do not know how <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roK9D_9GBL4">to start a fire in the correct way</a>. Suggesting a way other than how they learned how to do it as a child is simply heresy.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835091Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:39:19 -0800grajohntBy: anthill
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835092
If you want to make your hard-earned wood last about twice as long, you should read up on gasifying woodstoves. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LWtwPe6T88">Not only are they pretty</a>, their combustion <a href="http://www.woodheating.ca/">efficiency is about ~80%</a>, as opposed to ~40% from a plain single-pile stove. If your chimney is smoking, you're throwing unburnt fuel away.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835092Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:40:56 -0800anthillBy: EmpressCallipygos
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835093
<em>Around here the top of the pile usually has some corrugated roofing material on top- presumably this sheds water even better than bark.</em>
Hell, when I was a kid my father stacked our firewood to dry <em>in the garage</em>, so it didn't make a difference where the bark was. I didn't even know that was a Thing.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835093Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:41:13 -0800EmpressCallipygosBy: blue_beetle
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835101
<em>"Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down."</em>
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835101Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:48:50 -0800blue_beetleBy: dry white toast
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835104
It's Ron Swanson's world. We just live in it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835104Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:49:57 -0800dry white toastBy: humanfont
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835105
Wow I guess my obsession with splitting logs is genetic. Apparently some gene from my Norse ancestors is responsible for the utter zen like transcendent state I can reach in spending a whole day splitting wood.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835105Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:51:11 -0800humanfontBy: RonButNotStupid
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835112
<em>Holz hausen are pretty great.</em>
I tried building one of those a few years ago. On my first attempt, I got the walls built halfway before they collapsed in a cacophonous radial explosion of firewood. The second time around I reduced the scope a bit and ended up with something halfway decent.
I wouldn't recommend building a holz hausen unless you're planning to let the wood sit drying for a few years. They're very laborious to construct and even harder to take wood from without toppling the whole thing. If you're just laying in firewood for the winter, it's easier to just stack it up in a boring old rectangle and put a tarp over the whole mess.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835112Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:58:50 -0800RonButNotStupidBy: itstheclamsname
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835116
It was when I received a moisture meter for Christmas that I knew my family had accepted my obsessive tinkering with all elements of wood cutting, storage, and burning. They heard me talking wistfully about wanting to monitor the moisture levels of my firewood, and they <em>listened</em>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835116Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:01:26 -0800itstheclamsnameBy: history_denier
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835132
I do all my firewood stacking in Iron Age Finland in <a href="http://www.jmp.fi/~smaarane/urw.html">URW</a>. He needs to implement an option for bark orientation, apparently.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835132Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:11:28 -0800history_denierBy: MonkeyToes
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835134
Does bark up/bark down matter if you're tarping your pile?
I've been in the stack for stability camp so far, but am willing to make changes if necessary. This winter's wood spent a good long haul under a heavy tarp, and is burning just fine.
<small>I do a lot of stacking. But I will totally recommend the volunteer splitter who wants to get in shape for a challenge race and offers to cut rounds with his lovely, lovely ax. Thank you, Norwegian wood karma!</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835134Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:12:33 -0800MonkeyToesBy: gauche
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835139
<em>Doesn't the wood beneath the top layer get shielded from rain by the wood above it?
</em>
The layer on top is always the layer you are about to use. It doesn't help you much if they wood in the middle of the pile is nice and shielded by the top layer and the wood you're trying to burn is soaking wet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835139Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:17:02 -0800gaucheBy: cjorgensen
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835164
<em>It goes up because the bark keeps rain from soaking into the wood, presumably speeding the drying/seasoning process.</em>
If the bark is up you can get rot and mold on the bottom.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835164Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:40:45 -0800cjorgensenBy: Namlit
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835175
<em>The bark goes up by the way.</em>
There's a passage in the book where Mytting explains how different areas in Norway use different practices and how that's liked to the climate.
"New research shows that the drying process is completely marginally faster when the bark faces down, but the difference is marginal...no matter which it is important to make use of the water-repellant properties of the bark in unprotected woodpiles...logs with the bark on top function like a roof...downward pointing bark in the lower layers protects the wood against humidity from the ground...
These factors explain why Norway has formed two schools ... close to the coast the wood is stacked with the bark facing up, further inland they put the bark facing down. The reason is that inland, the [should be "most"] precipitation comes down as snow, and since one hasn't the same problem with driving rain as along the coast, nor the same good drying conditions as given by the winds of the coast, the wood does in fact dry faster with the bark down."
Slop-translated from the Swedish version, p. 109.
The book is a success even here. For us, house owners who exclusively heat with wood (even the warm water...), it has actually proven to be genuinely helpful. It has made that I re-ckecked and refined every single step in the (quite substantial) chain of actions around my wood reservoir. And I've already been out, cutting and splitting and piling, a month earlier than otherwise.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835175Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:46:21 -0800NamlitBy: dirtdirt
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835179
I am really impressed with Norway's ability to produce longform video that I find extremely compelling. <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/87708/Bergen-to-Oslo-from-your-armchair">Remember the 9 hour train video</a> from a few years back?
This stuff appeals to me with a fervency and longing that surprises me, and makes me wonder if even 6 generations deep into American muttitude my Norwegianness shapes my tendencies and tastes. At any rate, I would love to watch the firewood video ("but occasionally her hands could be seen putting logs in the fireplace, or cooking sausages and marshmallows on sticks." OMG!), and I would also love to read that book.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835179Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:52:44 -0800dirtdirtBy: Namlit
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835205
<em>The layer on top is always the layer you are about to use. It doesn't help you much if they wood in the middle of the pile is nice and shielded by the top layer and the wood you're trying to burn is soaking wet.</em>
What they're talking about up there in Norway is in fact not the "use" pile but the "dry" pile: the one you create after you've cut and split your next season's wood.
"Dry" piles are assembled in these parts from around this time and - depending on the climate - until the end of April. You pile up the wood in airy rows, space between, in sexy conical piles, or whatever else shape that actually allows for some real air drying, and you have to stack as loosely as possible without causing collapse. Air drying only happens if you don't seal the stacks off too tightly, so no permanent tarp - perhaps a bit of corrugated roofing on top, but nothing more.
Then you can stack away everything in July, in a protected shed or similar, and it's ready for use. At that point, it is more efficient to stack the wood as tightly as possible, and the orientation of the bark doesn't matter a bit, since the wood's dry. Permanent protection is the most important.
You never use wood from a pile that's still drying out there, unless you're out of stock (been there).comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835205Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:04:58 -0800NamlitBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835207
mrdigits - I am named after a Stevie Wonder song. Check it and you will find the spelling is perfectly correct!comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835207Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:06:23 -0800theloniusBy: notyou
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835217
Bark up? To shed rainwater?
That's why Dad built the wood shed. To keep our firewood dry. And to have a cozy place to chop.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835217Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:12:00 -0800notyouBy: chavenet
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835224
Did you hear the one about the Norwegian who stacked his freshly chopped wood all jumbled, and then tied it up with a sloppy knot? His bark was worse than his bight.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835224Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:16:43 -0800chavenetBy: McCoy Pauley
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835226
<em>"Its publication appears to have given older Norwegian men, a traditionally taciturn group, permission to reveal their deepest thoughts while seemingly discussing firewood."</em>
For no good reason, this suggests to me a uniquely Norwegian version of the Voight-Kampff test.
Also, a vision of the late Brion James saying "My firewood? Let me tell you about my firewood." <pistol shot>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835226Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:17:37 -0800McCoy PauleyBy: XMLicious
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835241
I stack my bags of wood pellets<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellet_fuel">^</a></sup> label-up. It's the only way to do it. Totally messes up your pellet stove feng shui if you stack them face-down.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835241Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:23:18 -0800XMLiciousBy: Divine_Wino
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835243
I love everything about this thread and conversation, my fondest wish is for a cabin, a wood stove and for 99.99% of humanity to bugger off. Any of you are welcome to come by for coffee and fire contemplation in sensible Scandinavian doses, however.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835243Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:24:15 -0800Divine_WinoBy: frimble
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835264
You're in a forest walking along in the rain when all of the sudden you look over, and you see a piece of firewood. You reach down, you flip the firewood over on its bark. The firewood lays on its bark, its wood beaten by the cold rain, doing nothing to try to turn itself over, but it can't, not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?
You're watching television. Suddenly you realize there's a moose in the room.
Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about lutefisk.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835264Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:30:18 -0800frimbleBy: needled
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835286
Some years back, I took a SAS flight to Oslo. The in-flight entertainment consisted of a documentary on lutefisk, from which I learned a chainsaw was a handy kitchen implement when dealing with lutefisk. In combination with this thread, I gather a chainsaw is a must-have item in Norwegian households.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835286Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:40:22 -0800needledBy: mean cheez
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835291
This is incredible.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835291Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:42:29 -0800mean cheezBy: jacquilynne
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835332
I stacked my wood with the bark facing in all sorts of crazy directions, for I was a maverick.
Well, that, and our wood shed had a roof.
Early on, we only ever had the woodshed full, but by the time I was a teenager, we mostly kept two years of wood on hand -- one for aging, one for burning. The aging wood was stacked behind the woodshed, on a bunch of cut end blocks, usually but not always split. We would bring in a winter's worth of wood over the course of about 2 weekends in early summer, and dump all the logs, cut to length but not split beside the woodshed.
We'd move the now aged wood into the woodshed and pack it willy-nilly and helter-skelter (in terms of bark -- the actual stacks were *very* neat and tidy for stability, especially as we would eventually stand on the lower stacks in order to stack the upper stacks) because the woodshed had a roof on it. That was usually my main task. Then my brother would split the new wood using a log splitter and we'd stack it behind the woodshed to age, covered in tarps.
I've always felt we could have saved ourselves an epic crapload of moving wood from one spot to the other if we had simply built a roof over the aging wood, too, and switched back and forth each year, which one was aging and which was burning. But then, since my brother and I had to do all that wood moving, I suppose my Dad didn't much care.
I am feeling almost nostalgic about bringing in wood right now, sitting in my comfy chair in my centrally heated condo, but I believe that sense of nostalgia wouldn't hold up to actually having to do any of those things we did. I hated it then, and I'd hate it more now.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835332Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:02:56 -0800jacquilynneBy: mrgrimm
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835378
<i>Yet no sooner had it begun, on prime time on Friday night, than the angry responses came pouring in.</i>
I figured it would be people bellyaching about the health hazards of wood smoke. Burn wood and your chimney is like a <a href="http://ehhi.org/woodsmoke/health_effects.shtml">giant cigarette</a>, ya know.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835378Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:23:41 -0800mrgrimmBy: Kabanos
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835404
The trick to stacking wood is to<a href="http://www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/tree-stack-jpg.93784/"> fell the tree just right.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835404Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:34:29 -0800KabanosBy: Shepherd
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835419
I really, seriously, want to move to Norway <strong>so bad</strong>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835419Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:40:22 -0800ShepherdBy: pharm
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835452
mgrimm: Does that apply to the high temperature wood gasification stoves too?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835452Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:49:24 -0800pharmBy: ZenMasterThis
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835481
Before ignightenment: Chopping wood and stacking it with the bark facing up.
After ignightenment: Chopping wood and stacking it with the bark facing down.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835481Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:02:54 -0800ZenMasterThisBy: k5.user
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835523
Kid Charlemagne -- that's stacking lumber, not wood. And don't forget to weigh down your pile to stop cups and twists too..
That said, ya'll seriously stack your just-split wood that way ? And it dries in a year ?
I chimney stack all my wood. Two pieces one way, 2 pieces perpendicular to the first for the next level. Best way to get airflow all around, prevent rot, etc. I don't cover it until it gets moved into the dry/ready-to-burn pile in my halfassed wood shed.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835523Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:25:26 -0800k5.userBy: kurosawa's pal
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835610
As an Asian-American born and raised in suburban and urban areas, this article made me wonder at multiple times if I was reading the Onion, or if somehow newyorktimes.com had been vandalized.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835610Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:28:50 -0800kurosawa's palBy: Inspector.Gadget
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835612
<em>Apparently some gene from my Norse ancestors is responsible for the utter zen like transcendent state I can reach in spending a whole day splitting wood.</em>
I have (to my knowledge) no Norse ancestry but I agree on the zen part. The sound of an axe head cleaving a log section and the way the weak parts of the wood come cleanly away are extremely satisfying.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835612Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:31:08 -0800Inspector.GadgetBy: nTeleKy
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835709
<em>I figured it would be people bellyaching about the health hazards of wood smoke. Burn wood and your chimney is like a giant cigarette, ya know.
mgrimm: Does that apply to the high temperature wood gasification stoves too?</em>
Not really, but depends on the stove. In addition to improving combustion efficiency, there are additional technologies that can be used to decrease the particulate emissions. The paper <a href="http://www.adksc.org/e$pi_dec/RAYALB~1.PDF">"Ultra Low Emissions, European-Style Wood Combustion technology"</a> provides some comparisons, but could be organized better. Pages 9, 10, 17 and 18 are relevant. There are other wood combustion strategies, such as rocket stoves, that also reduce emissions. It's kind of hard to quantify, though, as things such as fuel quality, wood placement, and proper flue maintenance can effect things quite a bit.
On top of this, complaining about the health effects of wood fires, while certainly relevant, is a total buzzkill. Give me a world where I can enjoy a nice fire with some friends and I will happily live in it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835709Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:12:12 -0800nTeleKyBy: TedW
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835724
All of you guys waxing poetic on the joys of splitting wood have never had to deal with the remains of the shag-bark hickory that fell on your house.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835724Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:16:22 -0800TedWBy: Kid Charlemagne
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835786
Lumber, wood - it's all just dead trees. My point was that the rate at which it dries via the end grain is so great relative to the bark or the split face that it almost certainly doesn't matter much.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835786Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:44:44 -0800Kid CharlemagneBy: jamjam
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835792
If you really wanted your wood to dry as fast as possible, wouldn't you stack it as <em>vertically</em> as possible so that the moisture would flow out along the natural phloem and xylem channels under the influence of gravity (hence the conical stack, perhaps)?
And wouldn't you want it cut with as sharp a saw as possible to avoid mashing shut the water channels on the ends?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835792Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:46:48 -0800jamjamBy: StickyCarpet
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835821
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvXOka41ew">Log splitting trick.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835821Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:00 -0800StickyCarpetBy: XMLicious
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836017
I was pleased to find that my guess it's possible to build a solar kiln to dry firewood was confirmed by copious search results for <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewood+solar+kiln">¿firewood solar kiln‽</a> - but disappointingly beginning with <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/pnw_rn450.pdf" title="">a USDA study of firewood-drying methods</a> that says they make no difference. Dang it, the gubmint just loves to ruin everyone's fun. Its contents might be relevant to the discussion at hand, however.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836017Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:33:26 -0800XMLiciousBy: misterpatrick
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836033
Great thread. I do a lot of warm winter camping (not an oxymoron but a style of camping) in the BWCA so end up doing a lot of locating, cutting and splitting of wood to use in the wood stoves we haul out (hence the warm part of the camping). You really become a connoisseur of firewood. There is nothing like finding a great piece of cedar that just explodes under the axe when you split it. Also, here's a shout-out to the <a href="http://www2.fiskars.com/Gardening-and-Yard-Care/Products/Axes-and-Striking-Tools/X25-Splitting-Axe-282#.USVC7ug-InU">Fiskars X25</a> - a sweet, sweet splitting axe.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836033Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:42:14 -0800misterpatrickBy: Toekneesan
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836042
I just keep my firewood in a <a href="http://www.fastcodesign.com/1664022/wanted-a-dresser-that-looks-like-a-pile-of-firewood">dresser drawer</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836042Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:44:56 -0800ToekneesanBy: caryatid
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836043
I lived for three years in a cabin in which the only heat came from a 55-gallon barrel converted to a woodstove. Every fall there was the ritual of buying and stacking a cord or so of wood for the winter. There is nothing more comfortable than the heat from a woodstove, even when the only way to regulate the temperature is to open windows. I miss that place.
<em>Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about lutefisk.</em>
I do not have to eat it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836043Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:45:19 -0800caryatidBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836055
<i>I really, seriously, want to move to Norway so bad.</i>
Yeah, I hear that. I even have relatives there. I read something like the article on the NHS yesterday and it just gets worse. I have been there twice - in the summer.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836055Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:56:17 -0800theloniusBy: mr. digits
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836082
Pardon my misspelling of your moniker up top, <em>thelonius</em>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836082Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:17:55 -0800mr. digitsBy: Megami
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836083
Moving to Norway is not easy, and you have to renounce your former citizenship. But if you get through it, at least you get shows like this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836083Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:18:32 -0800MegamiBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836090
No problem mr. digits - I am tired of it to tell the truth - I'd change it to Commisioner Gourd or something if I couldcomment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836090Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:24:28 -0800theloniusBy: thelonius
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836262
<i>Moving to Norway is not easy, and you have to renounce your former citizenship.</i>
I did not know that. My Grandmother was Norwegian - do you know if that would help?
This is not beyond the daydreaming stage yet, anyway.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836262Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:18:24 -0800theloniusBy: Charlemagne In Sweatpants
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836429
In Australia, people watch <a href="http://www.sydneyroyal.com.au/woodchop.htm">woodchopping competitions</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836429Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:11:30 -0800Charlemagne In SweatpantsBy: wilful
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836652
grajohnt, that cant possibly be how anyone tries to light a fire can it?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836652Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:02:24 -0800wilfulBy: doctornemo
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836754
We cover our 20 woodpiles with tarps, sheet metal, and plastic, so the bark direction doesn't matter.
Then we haul in about a cord at a time into the basement, to finish drying next to the main wood-burning stove.
In April we bring in a cord to dry nicely over the summer and fall.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836754Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:02:10 -0800doctornemoBy: nTeleKy
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836900
<strong>wilful</strong>,<a href="http://www.csia.org/homeowner-resources/how_to_build_a_top-down_burn.aspx"> People do build top-down fires</a>, which appear strange to most of us, but <a href="http://www.woodheat.org/build-maintain-fire.html">are quite efficient and (so I'm told) reliable</a>. The wood itself is not burning, but rather giving off gases that undergo combustion when they're sufficiently heated. When the combustion area is on top of the wood it's more likely for those gases to combust rather than escape to the atmosphere or condense in the chimney. I still haven't been able to bring myself to try it, yet, though...comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836900Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:30:44 -0800nTeleKyBy: elsietheeel
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836914
The Fiskars X25 seriously changed my life.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836914Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:41:20 -0800elsietheeelBy: jacquilynne
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837073
<em>In Australia, people watch woodchopping competitions.</em>
Logger Sports, as they call this sort of thing where I'm from, are also big in Canada. Probably everywhere where they have loggers, really.
We did Loggers Sports as the main focus of one of our summer festivals in my tiny town -- pancake breakfast, followed by axe-throwing, nail driving, cross-cut sawing and probably a couple of other things, followed by a potluck supper and dance -- but there are towns with bigger competitions and an<a href="http://www.canlog.com/"> official association that runs championships and whatnot</a>.
Stihl sponsors a "professional" series called <a href="http://www.stihlusa.com/stihl-timbersports/news/2013-professional-lumberjack-competitors/">Timbersports</a> in the US, as well.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837073Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:03:55 -0800jacquilynneBy: k5.user
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837162
log-rolling is a fun one to watch .. As are some of the hand tools.
The "how fast you can start your 32" bar saw and cut 3 slices off a honking log" activity, however, stretches my ability to call it a sport ..comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837162Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:34:39 -0800k5.userBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837717
Damn, I miss having firewood and a fireplace.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837717Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:53:09 -0800homunculusBy: grajohnt
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4838604
wilful - You won't believe how good it is until you try it. It goes against 'everything you know about building fires', but it really is the most effective way - producing less smoke overall, and burning longer and more efficiently than burning from the bottom up.
Look up 'top down fires', and you'll find plenty of info - and try it!comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4838604Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:11:05 -0800grajohntBy: anthill
http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4838810
If you take top-down fire building to the extreme, you end up with a <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&q=TLUD+gasifier">Top-Lit-UpDraft gasifier</a>, which runs on woodchip/pellets, burns only the "smoke", and leaves behind charcoal which can be buried in your garden as biochar (actual, working carbon storage <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/125247/Sciency-people-do-useful-stuff-again">unlike this</a>).comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4838810Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:08:09 -0800anthill
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