Comments on: Norwegian Wood http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood/ Comments on MetaFilter post Norwegian Wood Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800 en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Norwegian Wood http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/world/europe/in-norway-tv-program-on-firewood-elicits-passions.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp&pagewanted=all">"Solid Wood: All About Chopping, Drying and Stacking Wood — and the Soul of Wood-Burning"</a> This best selling book by Lars Mytting highlights a passion for firewood and inspired a TV program in Norway about cutting, stacking and burning firewood. <em>The TV program, on the topic of firewood, consisted mostly of people in parkas chatting and chopping in the woods and then eight hours of a fire burning in a fireplace. Yet no sooner had it begun, on prime time on Friday night, than the angry responses came pouring in. "We received about 60 text messages from people complaining about the stacking in the program," said [Mr.] Mytting .... "Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down."</em> post:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:36:39 -0800 caddis wood firewood passion fire fireplace Norway Mytting book tv yulelog By: caddis http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835026 As someone who has cut and stacked firewood, and burned about a gazillion fires in the fireplace, I can relate to this passion. The bark goes up by the way. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835026 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:58 -0800 caddis By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835031 Why does it go up? Because you said so? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835031 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:41:36 -0800 thelonius By: Old'n'Busted http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835033 I put mine the side, and then when it dries, I peel it off and cook it with butter, the way God intended. And doesn't faketroversy sound a lot like toilet paper under-over? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835033 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:04 -0800 Old'n'Busted By: mr. digits http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835034 The game is seasoning one's wood so that it's nice and dry (after a year or so) and burns efficiently in the stove. Some must believe that having the bark up will help the wood to repel water and dry more quickly. I'm of the "howsoever contributes to the stability of the pile"-type stacker, though I secretly envy those sexy conical piles that one sees here and there. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835034 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:35 -0800 mr. digits By: Malor http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835035 It goes up because the bark keeps rain from soaking into the wood, presumably speeding the drying/seasoning process. It's not perfect, but if the wood faces up, rain soaks straight in. The bark helps shed quite a bit of it. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835035 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:49 -0800 Malor By: DisreputableDog http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835036 I guess bark up kinda makes sense to an outside non-chopping observer: Bark protects trees, trees are rained/snowed on, therefore bark would protect chopped wood. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835036 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:47:52 -0800 DisreputableDog By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835038 Doesn't the wood beneath the top layer get shielded from rain by the wood above it? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835038 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:49:52 -0800 thelonius By: RobotVoodooPower http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835039 So this Norweigan wood, it actually *is* good? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835039 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:51:28 -0800 RobotVoodooPower By: mr. digits http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835040 Indeed it is, <em>thelonious</em>. Yet, a woodpile stacker must obey the inexorable exhortations of their soul. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835040 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:52:41 -0800 mr. digits By: pipeski http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835043 Bark up might be an advantage if you're going to leave it out in the rain. Otherwise, it's not important. Also, you can get the wood drier much quicker if you split it down into pieces about 3 inches in diameter - I find that wood I cut in the spring and summer is ready to burn by the winter that way. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835043 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:57:14 -0800 pipeski By: MtDewd http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835047 I think the most important factor is stacking it so that it doesn't fall down, especially on top of you. Around here the top of the pile usually has some corrugated roofing material on top- presumably this sheds water even better than bark. And I'm so envious of these 10-20 cord stacks of wood I see in other people's yards. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835047 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:00:09 -0800 MtDewd By: Lipstick Thespian http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835054 Metafilter: Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835054 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:09:53 -0800 Lipstick Thespian By: kinnakeet http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835060 Bark orientation becomes most critical in soggy climes and where the piles won't be covered. But everyone I've ever stacked with goes with bark up, for the reasons given above. I've spent days in the woods alone with a bow saw cutting up fallen trees, where a day's labor might yield a cold week's worth of wood. But from this I would feel a depth of satisfaction never experienced in any other pursuit. It's a very primal thing. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835060 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:14:21 -0800 kinnakeet By: fatfrank http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835067 <i>"Solid Wood," the title of Mr. Mytting's book, has a double meaning in Norwegian, </i> *snigger* I'll bet it does... <i>signifying also a person with a strong, dependable character.</i> Oh. How disappointing comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835067 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:22:36 -0800 fatfrank By: HuronBob http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835068 I'll be right back, I need to go throw a log in the woodstove. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835068 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:22:45 -0800 HuronBob By: GenjiandProust http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835073 Metafilter: sexy conical piles comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835073 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:28:07 -0800 GenjiandProust By: zamboni http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835074 <em>those sexy conical piles that one sees here and there.</em> <a href="http://www.thechimneysweep.ca/6seasoningwood.html">Holz hausen</a> are pretty great. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835074 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:28:26 -0800 zamboni By: DisreputableDog http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835077 bark ʞɹɐq comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835077 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:30:25 -0800 DisreputableDog By: box http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835080 If you like stacking wood, I know a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0500974071/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/">book</a> you might enjoy. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835080 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:31:49 -0800 box By: Stagger Lee http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835082 Bark up if it's exposed to the elements and weather, bark down if it's well covered and in direct sunlight. This article seems to be puzzled and amused by the existence of the show, or am I misreading it? What about the show makes less sense than anything else on television? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835082 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:32:43 -0800 Stagger Lee By: GenjiandProust http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835085 <em>I'll be right back, I need to go throw a log in the woodstove.</em> I predict that this thread wins the "highest number of potential obscure euphemisms" award for the month.... comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835085 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:34:05 -0800 GenjiandProust By: Kid Charlemagne http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835086 If you're air drying wood - I mean really air drying wood, with sticker stacks and moisture meters and stuff, the maxim is one year per inch of thickness. If you fail to paint or <a href="http://www.leevalley.com/fr/html/05k9805ie.pdf">PEG</a> (pdf) the ends, though, you'll get checking that goes in 3-6 inches in two or three weeks. The physics of mass drying of wood is going to be a little more complex, but really, I think this is arguing about which side of the crouton it's better to pet. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835086 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:42 -0800 Kid Charlemagne By: dubold http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835087 I really want to watch this show, if english subtitles exist. And I really want an english translation of the Lars Mytting book. The article does not tell me if such a thing is possible, and google just shows various permutations of this article. Any ideas? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835087 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:37:42 -0800 dubold By: dubold http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835090 <em>which side of the crouton it's better to pet.</em> The inside, obviously. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835090 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:38:35 -0800 dubold By: grajohnt http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835091 Typical Norway. People in the East (where the climate is drier, and it's generally sunnier) probably swear that bark-down is the way to go, as it probably allows the wood to dry quicker. In Vestlandet (where I live) they probably swear that bark-down is the way to go, in order to shelter the wood better from the rain (somewhat humorous, since it's typically horizontal rain). Let the holy war commence. I do what most people actually do and throw it in mesh bag to dry (bark everywhichway). FYI, as a person living in Norway with first-hand experience with cutting down trees and splitting them into firewood, I can tell you for a fact that I have never once seen nor heard of someone actually doing this with an axe. At the rate the Norwegians burn wood, there is no way to split wood with an axe fast enough to supply your demand. If you want serious controversy, you could observe that most Norwegians do not know how <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roK9D_9GBL4">to start a fire in the correct way</a>. Suggesting a way other than how they learned how to do it as a child is simply heresy. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835091 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:39:19 -0800 grajohnt By: anthill http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835092 If you want to make your hard-earned wood last about twice as long, you should read up on gasifying woodstoves. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LWtwPe6T88">Not only are they pretty</a>, their combustion <a href="http://www.woodheating.ca/">efficiency is about ~80%</a>, as opposed to ~40% from a plain single-pile stove. If your chimney is smoking, you're throwing unburnt fuel away. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835092 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:40:56 -0800 anthill By: EmpressCallipygos http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835093 <em>Around here the top of the pile usually has some corrugated roofing material on top- presumably this sheds water even better than bark.</em> Hell, when I was a kid my father stacked our firewood to dry <em>in the garage</em>, so it didn't make a difference where the bark was. I didn't even know that was a Thing. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835093 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:41:13 -0800 EmpressCallipygos By: blue_beetle http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835101 <em>"Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down."</em> TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!! comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835101 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:48:50 -0800 blue_beetle By: dry white toast http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835104 It's Ron Swanson's world. We just live in it. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835104 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:49:57 -0800 dry white toast By: humanfont http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835105 Wow I guess my obsession with splitting logs is genetic. Apparently some gene from my Norse ancestors is responsible for the utter zen like transcendent state I can reach in spending a whole day splitting wood. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835105 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:51:11 -0800 humanfont By: RonButNotStupid http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835112 <em>Holz hausen are pretty great.</em> I tried building one of those a few years ago. On my first attempt, I got the walls built halfway before they collapsed in a cacophonous radial explosion of firewood. The second time around I reduced the scope a bit and ended up with something halfway decent. I wouldn't recommend building a holz hausen unless you're planning to let the wood sit drying for a few years. They're very laborious to construct and even harder to take wood from without toppling the whole thing. If you're just laying in firewood for the winter, it's easier to just stack it up in a boring old rectangle and put a tarp over the whole mess. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835112 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:58:50 -0800 RonButNotStupid By: itstheclamsname http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835116 It was when I received a moisture meter for Christmas that I knew my family had accepted my obsessive tinkering with all elements of wood cutting, storage, and burning. They heard me talking wistfully about wanting to monitor the moisture levels of my firewood, and they <em>listened</em>. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835116 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:01:26 -0800 itstheclamsname By: history_denier http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835132 I do all my firewood stacking in Iron Age Finland in <a href="http://www.jmp.fi/~smaarane/urw.html">URW</a>. He needs to implement an option for bark orientation, apparently. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835132 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:11:28 -0800 history_denier By: MonkeyToes http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835134 Does bark up/bark down matter if you're tarping your pile? I've been in the stack for stability camp so far, but am willing to make changes if necessary. This winter's wood spent a good long haul under a heavy tarp, and is burning just fine. <small>I do a lot of stacking. But I will totally recommend the volunteer splitter who wants to get in shape for a challenge race and offers to cut rounds with his lovely, lovely ax. Thank you, Norwegian wood karma!</small> comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835134 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:12:33 -0800 MonkeyToes By: gauche http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835139 <em>Doesn't the wood beneath the top layer get shielded from rain by the wood above it? </em> The layer on top is always the layer you are about to use. It doesn't help you much if they wood in the middle of the pile is nice and shielded by the top layer and the wood you're trying to burn is soaking wet. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835139 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:17:02 -0800 gauche By: cjorgensen http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835164 <em>It goes up because the bark keeps rain from soaking into the wood, presumably speeding the drying/seasoning process.</em> If the bark is up you can get rot and mold on the bottom. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835164 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:40:45 -0800 cjorgensen By: Namlit http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835175 <em>The bark goes up by the way.</em> There's a passage in the book where Mytting explains how different areas in Norway use different practices and how that's liked to the climate. "New research shows that the drying process is completely marginally faster when the bark faces down, but the difference is marginal...no matter which it is important to make use of the water-repellant properties of the bark in unprotected woodpiles...logs with the bark on top function like a roof...downward pointing bark in the lower layers protects the wood against humidity from the ground... These factors explain why Norway has formed two schools ... close to the coast the wood is stacked with the bark facing up, further inland they put the bark facing down. The reason is that inland, the [should be "most"] precipitation comes down as snow, and since one hasn't the same problem with driving rain as along the coast, nor the same good drying conditions as given by the winds of the coast, the wood does in fact dry faster with the bark down." Slop-translated from the Swedish version, p. 109. The book is a success even here. For us, house owners who exclusively heat with wood (even the warm water...), it has actually proven to be genuinely helpful. It has made that I re-ckecked and refined every single step in the (quite substantial) chain of actions around my wood reservoir. And I've already been out, cutting and splitting and piling, a month earlier than otherwise. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835175 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:46:21 -0800 Namlit By: dirtdirt http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835179 I am really impressed with Norway's ability to produce longform video that I find extremely compelling. <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/87708/Bergen-to-Oslo-from-your-armchair">Remember the 9 hour train video</a> from a few years back? This stuff appeals to me with a fervency and longing that surprises me, and makes me wonder if even 6 generations deep into American muttitude my Norwegianness shapes my tendencies and tastes. At any rate, I would love to watch the firewood video ("but occasionally her hands could be seen putting logs in the fireplace, or cooking sausages and marshmallows on sticks." OMG!), and I would also love to read that book. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835179 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:52:44 -0800 dirtdirt By: Namlit http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835205 <em>The layer on top is always the layer you are about to use. It doesn't help you much if they wood in the middle of the pile is nice and shielded by the top layer and the wood you're trying to burn is soaking wet.</em> What they're talking about up there in Norway is in fact not the "use" pile but the "dry" pile: the one you create after you've cut and split your next season's wood. "Dry" piles are assembled in these parts from around this time and - depending on the climate - until the end of April. You pile up the wood in airy rows, space between, in sexy conical piles, or whatever else shape that actually allows for some real air drying, and you have to stack as loosely as possible without causing collapse. Air drying only happens if you don't seal the stacks off too tightly, so no permanent tarp - perhaps a bit of corrugated roofing on top, but nothing more. Then you can stack away everything in July, in a protected shed or similar, and it's ready for use. At that point, it is more efficient to stack the wood as tightly as possible, and the orientation of the bark doesn't matter a bit, since the wood's dry. Permanent protection is the most important. You never use wood from a pile that's still drying out there, unless you're out of stock (been there). comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835205 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:04:58 -0800 Namlit By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835207 mrdigits - I am named after a Stevie Wonder song. Check it and you will find the spelling is perfectly correct! comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835207 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:06:23 -0800 thelonius By: notyou http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835217 Bark up? To shed rainwater? That's why Dad built the wood shed. To keep our firewood dry. And to have a cozy place to chop. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835217 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:12:00 -0800 notyou By: chavenet http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835224 Did you hear the one about the Norwegian who stacked his freshly chopped wood all jumbled, and then tied it up with a sloppy knot? His bark was worse than his bight. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835224 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:16:43 -0800 chavenet By: McCoy Pauley http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835226 <em>"Its publication appears to have given older Norwegian men, a traditionally taciturn group, permission to reveal their deepest thoughts while seemingly discussing firewood."</em> For no good reason, this suggests to me a uniquely Norwegian version of the Voight-Kampff test. Also, a vision of the late Brion James saying "My firewood? Let me tell you about my firewood." &lt;pistol shot&gt; comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835226 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:17:37 -0800 McCoy Pauley By: XMLicious http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835241 I stack my bags of wood pellets<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellet_fuel">^</a></sup> label-up. It's the only way to do it. Totally messes up your pellet stove feng shui if you stack them face-down. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835241 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:23:18 -0800 XMLicious By: Divine_Wino http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835243 I love everything about this thread and conversation, my fondest wish is for a cabin, a wood stove and for 99.99% of humanity to bugger off. Any of you are welcome to come by for coffee and fire contemplation in sensible Scandinavian doses, however. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835243 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:24:15 -0800 Divine_Wino By: frimble http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835264 You're in a forest walking along in the rain when all of the sudden you look over, and you see a piece of firewood. You reach down, you flip the firewood over on its bark. The firewood lays on its bark, its wood beaten by the cold rain, doing nothing to try to turn itself over, but it can't, not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that? You're watching television. Suddenly you realize there's a moose in the room. Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about lutefisk. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835264 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:30:18 -0800 frimble By: needled http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835286 Some years back, I took a SAS flight to Oslo. The in-flight entertainment consisted of a documentary on lutefisk, from which I learned a chainsaw was a handy kitchen implement when dealing with lutefisk. In combination with this thread, I gather a chainsaw is a must-have item in Norwegian households. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835286 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:40:22 -0800 needled By: mean cheez http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835291 This is incredible. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835291 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:42:29 -0800 mean cheez By: jacquilynne http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835332 I stacked my wood with the bark facing in all sorts of crazy directions, for I was a maverick. Well, that, and our wood shed had a roof. Early on, we only ever had the woodshed full, but by the time I was a teenager, we mostly kept two years of wood on hand -- one for aging, one for burning. The aging wood was stacked behind the woodshed, on a bunch of cut end blocks, usually but not always split. We would bring in a winter's worth of wood over the course of about 2 weekends in early summer, and dump all the logs, cut to length but not split beside the woodshed. We'd move the now aged wood into the woodshed and pack it willy-nilly and helter-skelter (in terms of bark -- the actual stacks were *very* neat and tidy for stability, especially as we would eventually stand on the lower stacks in order to stack the upper stacks) because the woodshed had a roof on it. That was usually my main task. Then my brother would split the new wood using a log splitter and we'd stack it behind the woodshed to age, covered in tarps. I've always felt we could have saved ourselves an epic crapload of moving wood from one spot to the other if we had simply built a roof over the aging wood, too, and switched back and forth each year, which one was aging and which was burning. But then, since my brother and I had to do all that wood moving, I suppose my Dad didn't much care. I am feeling almost nostalgic about bringing in wood right now, sitting in my comfy chair in my centrally heated condo, but I believe that sense of nostalgia wouldn't hold up to actually having to do any of those things we did. I hated it then, and I'd hate it more now. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835332 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:02:56 -0800 jacquilynne By: mrgrimm http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835378 <i>Yet no sooner had it begun, on prime time on Friday night, than the angry responses came pouring in.</i> I figured it would be people bellyaching about the health hazards of wood smoke. Burn wood and your chimney is like a <a href="http://ehhi.org/woodsmoke/health_effects.shtml">giant cigarette</a>, ya know. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835378 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:23:41 -0800 mrgrimm By: Kabanos http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835404 The trick to stacking wood is to<a href="http://www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/tree-stack-jpg.93784/"> fell the tree just right.</a> comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835404 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:34:29 -0800 Kabanos By: Shepherd http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835419 I really, seriously, want to move to Norway <strong>so bad</strong>. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835419 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:40:22 -0800 Shepherd By: pharm http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835452 mgrimm: Does that apply to the high temperature wood gasification stoves too? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835452 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:49:24 -0800 pharm By: ZenMasterThis http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835481 Before ignightenment: Chopping wood and stacking it with the bark facing up. After ignightenment: Chopping wood and stacking it with the bark facing down. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835481 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:02:54 -0800 ZenMasterThis By: k5.user http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835523 Kid Charlemagne -- that's stacking lumber, not wood. And don't forget to weigh down your pile to stop cups and twists too.. That said, ya'll seriously stack your just-split wood that way ? And it dries in a year ? I chimney stack all my wood. Two pieces one way, 2 pieces perpendicular to the first for the next level. Best way to get airflow all around, prevent rot, etc. I don't cover it until it gets moved into the dry/ready-to-burn pile in my halfassed wood shed. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835523 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:25:26 -0800 k5.user By: kurosawa's pal http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835610 As an Asian-American born and raised in suburban and urban areas, this article made me wonder at multiple times if I was reading the Onion, or if somehow newyorktimes.com had been vandalized. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835610 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:28:50 -0800 kurosawa's pal By: Inspector.Gadget http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835612 <em>Apparently some gene from my Norse ancestors is responsible for the utter zen like transcendent state I can reach in spending a whole day splitting wood.</em> I have (to my knowledge) no Norse ancestry but I agree on the zen part. The sound of an axe head cleaving a log section and the way the weak parts of the wood come cleanly away are extremely satisfying. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835612 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:31:08 -0800 Inspector.Gadget By: nTeleKy http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835709 <em>I figured it would be people bellyaching about the health hazards of wood smoke. Burn wood and your chimney is like a giant cigarette, ya know. mgrimm: Does that apply to the high temperature wood gasification stoves too?</em> Not really, but depends on the stove. In addition to improving combustion efficiency, there are additional technologies that can be used to decrease the particulate emissions. The paper <a href="http://www.adksc.org/e$pi_dec/RAYALB~1.PDF">"Ultra Low Emissions, European-Style Wood Combustion technology"</a> provides some comparisons, but could be organized better. Pages 9, 10, 17 and 18 are relevant. There are other wood combustion strategies, such as rocket stoves, that also reduce emissions. It's kind of hard to quantify, though, as things such as fuel quality, wood placement, and proper flue maintenance can effect things quite a bit. On top of this, complaining about the health effects of wood fires, while certainly relevant, is a total buzzkill. Give me a world where I can enjoy a nice fire with some friends and I will happily live in it. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835709 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:12:12 -0800 nTeleKy By: TedW http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835724 All of you guys waxing poetic on the joys of splitting wood have never had to deal with the remains of the shag-bark hickory that fell on your house. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835724 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:16:22 -0800 TedW By: Kid Charlemagne http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835786 Lumber, wood - it's all just dead trees. My point was that the rate at which it dries via the end grain is so great relative to the bark or the split face that it almost certainly doesn't matter much. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835786 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:44:44 -0800 Kid Charlemagne By: jamjam http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835792 If you really wanted your wood to dry as fast as possible, wouldn't you stack it as <em>vertically</em> as possible so that the moisture would flow out along the natural phloem and xylem channels under the influence of gravity (hence the conical stack, perhaps)? And wouldn't you want it cut with as sharp a saw as possible to avoid mashing shut the water channels on the ends? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835792 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:46:48 -0800 jamjam By: StickyCarpet http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4835821 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvXOka41ew">Log splitting trick.</a> comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4835821 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:00 -0800 StickyCarpet By: XMLicious http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836017 I was pleased to find that my guess it's possible to build a solar kiln to dry firewood was confirmed by copious search results for <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewood+solar+kiln">¿firewood solar kiln‽</a> - but disappointingly beginning with <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/pnw_rn450.pdf" title="">a USDA study of firewood-drying methods</a> that says they make no difference. Dang it, the gubmint just loves to ruin everyone's fun. Its contents might be relevant to the discussion at hand, however. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836017 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:33:26 -0800 XMLicious By: misterpatrick http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836033 Great thread. I do a lot of warm winter camping (not an oxymoron but a style of camping) in the BWCA so end up doing a lot of locating, cutting and splitting of wood to use in the wood stoves we haul out (hence the warm part of the camping). You really become a connoisseur of firewood. There is nothing like finding a great piece of cedar that just explodes under the axe when you split it. Also, here's a shout-out to the <a href="http://www2.fiskars.com/Gardening-and-Yard-Care/Products/Axes-and-Striking-Tools/X25-Splitting-Axe-282#.USVC7ug-InU">Fiskars X25</a> - a sweet, sweet splitting axe. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836033 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:42:14 -0800 misterpatrick By: Toekneesan http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836042 I just keep my firewood in a <a href="http://www.fastcodesign.com/1664022/wanted-a-dresser-that-looks-like-a-pile-of-firewood">dresser drawer</a>. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836042 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:44:56 -0800 Toekneesan By: caryatid http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836043 I lived for three years in a cabin in which the only heat came from a 55-gallon barrel converted to a woodstove. Every fall there was the ritual of buying and stacking a cord or so of wood for the winter. There is nothing more comfortable than the heat from a woodstove, even when the only way to regulate the temperature is to open windows. I miss that place. <em>Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about lutefisk.</em> I do not have to eat it. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836043 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:45:19 -0800 caryatid By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836055 <i>I really, seriously, want to move to Norway so bad.</i> Yeah, I hear that. I even have relatives there. I read something like the article on the NHS yesterday and it just gets worse. I have been there twice - in the summer. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836055 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:56:17 -0800 thelonius By: mr. digits http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836082 Pardon my misspelling of your moniker up top, <em>thelonius</em>. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836082 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:17:55 -0800 mr. digits By: Megami http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836083 Moving to Norway is not easy, and you have to renounce your former citizenship. But if you get through it, at least you get shows like this. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836083 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:18:32 -0800 Megami By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836090 No problem mr. digits - I am tired of it to tell the truth - I'd change it to Commisioner Gourd or something if I could comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836090 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:24:28 -0800 thelonius By: thelonius http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836262 <i>Moving to Norway is not easy, and you have to renounce your former citizenship.</i> I did not know that. My Grandmother was Norwegian - do you know if that would help? This is not beyond the daydreaming stage yet, anyway. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836262 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:18:24 -0800 thelonius By: Charlemagne In Sweatpants http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836429 In Australia, people watch <a href="http://www.sydneyroyal.com.au/woodchop.htm">woodchopping competitions</a>. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836429 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:11:30 -0800 Charlemagne In Sweatpants By: wilful http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836652 grajohnt, that cant possibly be how anyone tries to light a fire can it? comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836652 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:02:24 -0800 wilful By: doctornemo http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836754 We cover our 20 woodpiles with tarps, sheet metal, and plastic, so the bark direction doesn't matter. Then we haul in about a cord at a time into the basement, to finish drying next to the main wood-burning stove. In April we bring in a cord to dry nicely over the summer and fall. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836754 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:02:10 -0800 doctornemo By: nTeleKy http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836900 <strong>wilful</strong>,<a href="http://www.csia.org/homeowner-resources/how_to_build_a_top-down_burn.aspx"> People do build top-down fires</a>, which appear strange to most of us, but <a href="http://www.woodheat.org/build-maintain-fire.html">are quite efficient and (so I'm told) reliable</a>. The wood itself is not burning, but rather giving off gases that undergo combustion when they're sufficiently heated. When the combustion area is on top of the wood it's more likely for those gases to combust rather than escape to the atmosphere or condense in the chimney. I still haven't been able to bring myself to try it, yet, though... comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836900 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:30:44 -0800 nTeleKy By: elsietheeel http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4836914 The Fiskars X25 seriously changed my life. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4836914 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:41:20 -0800 elsietheeel By: jacquilynne http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837073 <em>In Australia, people watch woodchopping competitions.</em> Logger Sports, as they call this sort of thing where I'm from, are also big in Canada. Probably everywhere where they have loggers, really. We did Loggers Sports as the main focus of one of our summer festivals in my tiny town -- pancake breakfast, followed by axe-throwing, nail driving, cross-cut sawing and probably a couple of other things, followed by a potluck supper and dance -- but there are towns with bigger competitions and an<a href="http://www.canlog.com/"> official association that runs championships and whatnot</a>. Stihl sponsors a "professional" series called <a href="http://www.stihlusa.com/stihl-timbersports/news/2013-professional-lumberjack-competitors/">Timbersports</a> in the US, as well. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837073 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:03:55 -0800 jacquilynne By: k5.user http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837162 log-rolling is a fun one to watch .. As are some of the hand tools. The "how fast you can start your 32" bar saw and cut 3 slices off a honking log" activity, however, stretches my ability to call it a sport .. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837162 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:34:39 -0800 k5.user By: homunculus http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4837717 Damn, I miss having firewood and a fireplace. comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4837717 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:53:09 -0800 homunculus By: grajohnt http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4838604 wilful - You won't believe how good it is until you try it. It goes against 'everything you know about building fires', but it really is the most effective way - producing less smoke overall, and burning longer and more efficiently than burning from the bottom up. Look up 'top down fires', and you'll find plenty of info - and try it! comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4838604 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:11:05 -0800 grajohnt By: anthill http://www.metafilter.com/125188/Norwegian-Wood#4838810 If you take top-down fire building to the extreme, you end up with a <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&q=TLUD+gasifier">Top-Lit-UpDraft gasifier</a>, which runs on woodchip/pellets, burns only the "smoke", and leaves behind charcoal which can be buried in your garden as biochar (actual, working carbon storage <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/125247/Sciency-people-do-useful-stuff-again">unlike this</a>). comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.125188-4838810 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:08:09 -0800 anthill "Yes. Something that interested us yesterday when we saw it." "Where is she?" His lodgings were situated at the lower end of the town. 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