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Comments on MetaFilter post Say you love me or I'll kill you!Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:27:00 -0800Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:27:00 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Say you love me or I'll kill you!
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uxpylXf5fQ&feature=player_embedded">Jun Togawa</a> is sort of like what you'd get if you crossed Kate Bush and Mike Patton. Togawa, who became known in Japanese culture <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSqEFKK4W1c&feature=player_embedded">after appearing in a bidet commercial</a>, was half of the electro-cabaret band <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqY8AXQqd4k">Guernica</a>, which sometimes sounded <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvTevhv023A">very classical</a> and sometimes sounded <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhBaXrOCUk">very new wave</a> and sometimes <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6XTkijKzg">much stranger</a>. Somewhat more straightforward is her rock outfit <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQdVY2tzf8">Yapoos</a>, which similarly varies <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXA9w_mRG0">quite a bit</a> in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVQA8CBfjdg">sound</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiGwjKxaoKM">style</a>. Her solo work, unsurprisingly, is quite <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzhfeFcQqQY">melodramatic</a>, with some very interesting <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-qCcjxtlg">arrangements</a>, both <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCve3Is78MM">parodically poppy</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNI_NK2YY-s">funky</a>. I particularly like her covers of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg7aokB-Kgg">All Tomorrow's Parties</a> by the Velvet Underground, Brigitte Fontaine's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srw0KDpgoZQ">Comme à la Radio</a>, and – weirdly – <a href="http://grooveshark.com/s/-/4c6ul9?src=5">Pachelbel's Canon</a>.post:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:21:22 -0800Rory MarinichmusicjapanesejapanjuntogawatogawajunnewwavecabaretpopfunkfreakBy: Rory Marinich
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Ach, and after all that I forgot to include <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45a1WTr-wY&feature=player_embedded">the song I took the title from</a>! Lyrics are included in that video – they are somewhat eye-opening.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938789Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:27:00 -0800Rory MarinichBy: Rory Marinich
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clG_AADLHWU">Another one I wish I'd included</a>. Off the Yapoos album "Dadada ism". The best way I can describe it is it's what would have happened if Nine Inch Nails wrote the soundtrack to a Sonic the Hedgehog game. Or maybe Bjork in her angrier years.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938842Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:54:27 -0800Rory MarinichBy: Potomac Avenue
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Nice post samefriend.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938856Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:00:45 -0800Potomac AvenueBy: raygirvan
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Nice to see Guernica mentioned. One of my favourites is <em>Kaigenrei</em> ("Martial Law"), which comes in two flavours: a very fast and dischordant electronica <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSPcG8Q3pg">Japanese version</a>, and a slower-tempo, orchestrated, highly melodramatic, operatic <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxIPjV7atUg">German version</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938862Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:02:49 -0800raygirvanBy: raygirvan
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I love the Pachelbel adaptation: a quick Google finds its title means "<a href="http://togawajun.emu-memu.net/%E8%9B%B9%E5%8C%96%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%B3-sanagi-ka-no-onna-the-pupa-woman/">The Pupa Woman</a>".comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938892Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:07 -0800raygirvanBy: metaman livingblog
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Thanks for the post, Jun Togawa is a fascinating musician who I always keep meaning to listen to more deliberately. Her bizarre frantic new wave reminds me of Belgium's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQwf3HXYan0">Honeymoon Killers</a>, and not just because I find sung Japanese and French to sound inexplicably similar to one another.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4938994Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:24:59 -0800metaman livingblogBy: clearlydemon
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I'd only heard <i>Suki Suki Daisuki</i> and I love it! Thanks for the post.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939036Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:30:07 -0800clearlydemonBy: a louis wain cat
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Thanks for this FPP- Jun Togawa is truly brilliant, one of my favorite artists. (I'd thought about doing an FPP about her myself, but never got around to it.) Tragically obscure, too- I've never been able to figure out why she isn't better known among fans of the more avant-garde genres of music, but my best guess as to why that's the case is that her work has always struck me as being very rooted in Japanese culture, and a comment on it in many ways not apparent to those outside it. Listening to her music, I always get the feeling that there are layers of meaning within her lyrics and imagery that I'm completely missing out on due to not knowing Japanese/not having deep knowledge of the culture. (One example would be <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgfVP00n9YU">this song</a>, which was the one that first hooked me on her music. I get the sense that there's some pretty biting social/political commentary going on there, and I think I have something of an idea of the gist of it, but I'm pretty sure there's a whole bunch of stuff sailing over my head there.) Still, her talent and the emotional power of her music certainly crosses the cultural barrier. For newcomers to her music, I'd recommend <a href="http://www.yesasia.com/us/togawa-jun-twin-very-best-collection-japan-version/1001820834-0-0-0-en/info.html">this compilation</a>, which contains (IMO) most of her best material and arranges it very well. And some lyric translations can be found <a href="http://togawajun.emu-memu.net/lyrics/">here</a>.
<strong>raygirvan</strong>: <em>I love the Pachelbel adaptation: a quick Google finds its title means "The Pupa Woman".</em>
There's actually two versions of her Pachelbel's Canon adaption- the one linked in the FPP, and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIEXxF0s6Fc">the "punk" version</a>, which I believe is how she usually performed it live, and which featured a vocal performance that must be heard to be believed. (It actually, in that performance and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkOPuqg7FGg">this one</a>, sounds amazingly close to the vocal style now standard in extreme metal, which, given that she performed this song as early as 1984, would make it one of the earliest examples of that vocal style if not the earliest.)comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939143Mon, 22 Apr 2013 01:57:18 -0800a louis wain catBy: Rory Marinich
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<b>a louis wain cat</b>: The punk version's the first link in the FPP! <small>I felt I was being clever, opening and closing with two renditions of the same song. That is what cleverness means on a Sunday.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939165Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:21:09 -0800Rory MarinichBy: a louis wain cat
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Huh, not sure how I missed that- I think I assumed it was going to be a general introductory link to Wikipedia or something along those lines and didn't click it. Much better video quality than in the one I linked, too. <small>And don't worry, that actually <em>was</em> quite clever IMO.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939174Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:39:03 -0800a louis wain catBy: A Thousand Baited Hooks
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8l-FMp6l5g">This acoustic version</a> of "pupa woman" is my favourite.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939205Mon, 22 Apr 2013 03:59:58 -0800A Thousand Baited HooksBy: Bangaioh
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Oh come on, someone has to link to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sqd1CeG6GQ"><em>Angel Baby</em></a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939302Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:05:19 -0800BangaiohBy: Bangaioh
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Live with Kiyohiko Senba & The Haniwa All-Stars - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9SbCuLkz4">Pachelbel's Canon + <em>Ningen Goukaku</em></a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4939477Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:42:36 -0800BangaiohBy: huffa
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When I saw this title I immediately thought of the opening to tommy february6's choose me or die, which I'm assuming must be a direct allusion to togawa: <a href="http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=z2u9cke8my0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dz2u9cke8my0">choose me or die</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.127262-4940729Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:53:37 -0800huffa
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