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<a href="http://backpackology.org/2012/07/18/guest-blogger-michael-spencer-bown-the-top-80-highlights-of-the-world/">The Top 80 Highlights of the World</a> according to Michael Spencer Bown, a Calgarian who may lay claim to the title of <a href="http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/10/02/calgary-man-mike-spencer-bown-becomes-worlds-most-travelled-after-finishing-23-year-odyssey">'the most extensively travelled person in human history'</a>. <br /><br /><em><strong>While You Were Working</strong>
<small>(Ten really cool things Mike Spencer Bown did while becoming the world's most extensively travelled person)</small>
1. Visited the graveyard of the blue whales, South Georgia Island, Antarctica
2. Learned to drive a reindeer sleigh while drunk with the Yakuti tribe, Yakutsk, Russia
3. Hung out with witch doctors on the Dogon Escarpment, Mali
4. Dodged angry forest elephants in Luango Park, Gabon
5. Sat face to face with Silverback Gorillas in Virunga Volcanoes National Park, Rwanda
6. Checked out the "Red Neck" Inuit bar scene, Nook, Greenland
7. Dropped in on the villages of the Yezedi Devil Worshippers, Iraq
8. Paddled past sleeping tigers in the Sunderbans Mangrove Forest, Bangladesh
9. Stayed in salt hotels, San Pedro de Atacama, Andes
10. Drank Guinness in Ireland. He still is.</em>post:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557Fri, 04 Oct 2013 00:39:41 -0800mannequitotravelextensive8023yearscalgaryguinnessrecordsBy: converge
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222324
As a fellow Calgarian: Fucker. Damn fucker.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222324Fri, 04 Oct 2013 01:16:00 -0800convergeBy: justkevin
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222328
It's impressive no doubt, but diminished by trying to sound impressive. It also doesn't suggest why these things are important to experience versus the infinity of other things there are to experience on the planet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222328Fri, 04 Oct 2013 01:27:03 -0800justkevinBy: Phersu
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222331
Ok, that man is not an ethnologist but he was able to meet in his lifetime a Dogon Priest of the Lébé Snake God and followers of Melek Taus the Peacock Angel.
That's cooler than Indiana Jones.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222331Fri, 04 Oct 2013 01:36:03 -0800PhersuBy: walrus
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222343
<em>It's impressive no doubt, but diminished by trying to sound impressive.</em>
I don't think this article was published because he was trying to sound impressive.
<em>During our time together, I asked Mike if he'd be willing to look back at his twenty-one years of travel and cobble together a list of highlights.
Mike refused at first, arguing that such lists were pedestrian, that there's no one place that's better than another, and that a true traveler should go everywhere.</em>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222343Fri, 04 Oct 2013 02:16:16 -0800walrusBy: converge
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As a friend to a few like minded persons, I'd guess number 95 would be "Stealing kale from a community garden and sleeping on my buddy's couch for a week and being generally inconvenient. Also, I will braise that stolen kale for three hours to make you an exotic meal of braised kale. You really should be thanking me."comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222345Fri, 04 Oct 2013 02:21:20 -0800convergeBy: MuffinMan
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I'm reasonably well travelled and I've done just over one tenth of his list. I'm deeply envious of his travels around West Africa. I like his list. It's not all tick boxes of the Taj Mahal or Uluru.
For my part I haven't met a witch doctor in Mali but I did nearly run over one in Malawi: he was dressed head to foot in banana leaves and standing by the side of the road, blending in to the foliage.
Also: hitchhiking in South Africa. I'm not sure I'd want to give it a try now. 20 years ago my brother did it in Zimbabwe though and he and his friend got picked up by a lovely old couple who insisted that they not only give them a ride but fed them and put them up for the night.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222354Fri, 04 Oct 2013 02:44:02 -0800MuffinManBy: vapidave
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Shows you the lengths people will go to in order to stay out of Calgary.
Seriously though, how in the hell did he finance this little excursion?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222357Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:03:50 -0800vapidaveBy: converge
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222364
"I've always relied on the kindness of strangers."comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222364Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:25:26 -0800convergeBy: The River Ivel
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222368
I can't help but feel that there's more to this story. Whoever this guy is, to reduce his experience of two decades to a list of things you should do seems... weird. And what's he going to do in Calgary now? How is he going to feel about his life, when he sees people from his age and background with families?
Which is not to say that his listicle isn't cool. But its a severe boiling down of his life so far. This guy has to be more interesting than a checklist of places that most of us can barely understand.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222368Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:35:52 -0800The River IvelBy: vacapinta
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222374
Yeah, I would love to see a short essay by this guy. Did Travel change him? What did he learn? Are people basically the same? What kept him going? Did he get tired of it at some point?
It really seems a shame that all they did was squeeze a listicle out of him.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222374Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:40:05 -0800vacapintaBy: MuffinMan
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222375
Perhaps a short essay was too much: no man likes having their listicles squeezed.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222375Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:44:20 -0800MuffinManBy: gnuhavenpier
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222390
I think David Attenborough has a better claim to that title.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222390Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:34:08 -0800gnuhavenpierBy: Kirth Gerson
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222397
If I were anywhere near that well-travelled, I would not care about that title, at all.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222397Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:42:13 -0800Kirth GersonBy: MuffinMan
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222405
Another exile from Alberta, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Young_Pelton">Robert Young Pelton</a>, also has a pretty interesting track record when it comes to travel.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222405Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:47:53 -0800MuffinManBy: Sticherbeast
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222419
<em>7. Dropped in on the villages of the Yezedi Devil Worshippers, Iraq</em>
The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi">Yazidi</a> are not Devil Worshippers! That's like calling Muslims Moon God Worshippers.
That said, this list is fun.
Also, as mentioned above, Robert Young Pelton is awesome.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222419Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:05:32 -0800SticherbeastBy: Sticherbeast
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222429
<em>64. Trying not to look down at the precarious Tiger's Nest Monastery, Bhutan</em>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paro_Taktsang">Tiger's Nest Monastery</a> was featured in <em>Batman Begins</em>. Neat! I bet it's absolutely hair-raising in person.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222429Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:18:39 -0800SticherbeastBy: Mayor Curley
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<i>60. Deep south, coast-to-coast, All-American Road Trip</i>
60a. Canoe trip with two friends and compound bow, Cahoolawasee River, Georgia.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222442Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:35:08 -0800Mayor CurleyBy: Lemurrhea
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<em>Seriously though, how in the hell did he finance this little excursion?</em>
The article says he ran an export business in Indonesia, which he sold to finance it. Which he would have then sold at 21? Seems a little sketchy/drug-related to me, but meh, whatever.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222452Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:43:21 -0800LemurrheaBy: Herodios
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222465
Jack Flanders . . . is that you?
comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222465Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:49:58 -0800HerodiosBy: kinnakeet
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222556
Many of these "highlights of the world" are in fact his own accomplishments.
Ah, to be young, healthy, rich and free.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222556Fri, 04 Oct 2013 06:48:22 -0800kinnakeetBy: bukvich
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222733
I wonder how much his expenses were to pay locals not to jail him, kidnap him, steal one of his kidneys, &c. I very rarely go places that are on the travel watch lists (like e.g. Iraq but it is a pretty long <a href="http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html">list</a>.) I guess a prerequisite for doing this is intuition or sixth sense for who to bribe, when to bribe them, and how much to bribe them with.
Looked at that travel watch list and the only countries on it I have been to are Mexico and Israel and the places I went there did not appear to me more hazardous than New Orleans or Chicago.
Azerbaijan had me hooked right off. My acquaintances at Chevron tell me the hazard duty pay in Azerbaijan is on the top of their list by a pretty hefty margin. That is one of those places where a Chevron employee does not go out and about without armed guards although I am sure it's a lot safer if you look like a budget tourist.
<em>55. Evading police by motorboat on the Niger River Delta, Niger</em>
to me this sounds positively insane.
<em>
01. Looking down upon the world from Mt. Everest Base Camp, Nepal or Tibet</em>
Those two places are separated by weeks of travel as I understand it so it seems inefficient to go to both places if he did indeed do that. Richard Burton did the haj to Mecca where if you are not a Muslim you really should not try that and I noticed Mecca is not on his list. Syria and Iraq seem to be the closest points to the Arabian peninsula.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222733Fri, 04 Oct 2013 08:28:17 -0800bukvichBy: the cydonian
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222914
I expected nothing, but am pleasantly surprised to have done seven things on the list. Possibly one more by November, if all goes well.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222914Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:58:12 -0800the cydonianBy: DevilsAdvocate
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222921
<i>Many of these "highlights of the world" are in fact his own accomplishments.</i>
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222921Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:00:10 -0800DevilsAdvocateBy: spamandkimchi
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5222940
There's some kind of sense of fleeing from modernity, at least for the activities in the developing world. Animals! And animism! Oh my!
Also this list format I think diminishes the transformative potential of traveling and ends up making entire cultures/communities "to do list" checkboxes.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5222940Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:06:26 -0800spamandkimchiBy: OHenryPacey
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5223001
I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, because nowhere in the article does it claim that he's a writer. He's a traveler. Someone else might have simply asked him to list the hilights of his travels, and may have even edited away the context for each entry. He sounds like a guy I'd enjoy sharing stories with around a campfire or in a pub.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5223001Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:33:43 -0800OHenryPaceyBy: stbalbach
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5223132
<i>Whoever this guy is, to reduce his experience of two decades to a list of things you should do seems... weird.</i>
Well it says he didn't want to make the list: "Mike refused at first, arguing that such lists were pedestrian, that there's no one place that's better than another, and that a true traveler should go everywhere."comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5223132Fri, 04 Oct 2013 11:39:25 -0800stbalbachBy: Sidhedevil
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5223596
That's an oddly written article about someone who has certainly had some interesting experiences in different parts of the world.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5223596Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:36:01 -0800SidhedevilBy: pravit
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5223679
I'm also not sure how you get lost on the three subway systems in Tokyo. I found the entire system very well-signposted, completely bilingual, clean, and easy to navigate. Unlike the MTA, which is two sometimes poorly-signposted and generally dirty systems with various track changes and closures that are sometimes only mentioned by printouts taped to the platform beams instead of before the turnstiles so you know not to pay $2.50 to go in when the track is closed.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5223679Fri, 04 Oct 2013 17:56:40 -0800pravitBy: Solon and Thanks
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5224352
<i>Also: hitchhiking in South Africa. I'm not sure I'd want to give it a try now. 20 years ago my brother did it in Zimbabwe though and he and his friend got picked up by a lovely old couple who insisted that they not only give them a ride but fed them and put them up for the night.</i>
I was happy to see that one. I recommend it! I just finished Peace Corps in the region, and we all hitched frequently. It's quite socially acceptable there.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5224352Sat, 05 Oct 2013 14:30:15 -0800Solon and ThanksBy: Bunglegirl
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I'm at around 16 on that list, and a handful more I ended up not going through with because of safety. I can only push my poor mother so far.
<em>An unexpected benefit of visiting 'dangerous' places like Pakistan is that it affords you the opportunity to meet some fascinating people. They're never tourists; they're travelers, adventurers, lunatics, or some hazardous cocktail of the three.</em>
The best times are always in places far out of the way. It's hard to make friends in Bangkok, where there are tons of people, but the people you meet traveling alone in Samarkand, Uzbekistan are the kind of people that you want to trade stories with. The harder a place is to travel to, the more dedicated and interesting travelers you'll meet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5224601Sat, 05 Oct 2013 21:13:48 -0800BunglegirlBy: Bunglegirl
http://www.metafilter.com/132557/Especially-Azerbaijan#5224606
This is key:
<em>Mike Spencer Bown is at last ready to return home, having extensively travelled every single country and region on earth.
That word, "extensive," is key: Others have visited just as many countries, but Bown made a point of <strong>sticking around and immersing himself each culture</strong>.</em>
Once a year I get a kick out of attending the local Travelers Century Club meeting (people who have visited more than 100 countries/territories) even though they've just adopted me as a young mascot and I'm not close to qualifying for membership. Most of them tell stories of hiring private guides, hoping on a plane to stop over for one day to "pick up" a country, and even gaining points because they were in the military and flew to small islands that no civilians are allowed to visit. Slow travel seems to be a foreign concept for many of them.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.132557-5224606Sat, 05 Oct 2013 21:22:36 -0800Bunglegirl
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