Comments on: Superstition ain't the way.

Superstition ain't the way.

euphorb — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:21:32 -0800

Superstition ain't the way. A new study confirms that you can actually be scared to death. They found a 13% increase in cardiac related deaths of Chinese and Japanese Americans on the fourth day of each month. In Mandarin, Cantonese and Japanese, the pronounciation of the word 'four' (shi) is the same as the word for death. So be careful where you aim those fireworks the next 4th of July.

By: tiaka

tiaka — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:11:21 -0800

Hmm... Aren't there 2 words for 4 in Japanese? As I recall Yon, and Shi, shi does mean death. 9 is another number, it's Koo-u (Q), and Koo (ku), Ku can mean suffering. From what I've read, in Japan 4 and 9 are considered unlucky and are even eliminated from apartment buildings and such. I recall a building somewhere that didn't have a 13th floor, instead 12, then 14. Superstition is weird. Earlier this week I've heard that in lottery, as far as winning numbers go, 13 is one of the more successful ones, because everyone picks 3 and 7, which are the least successful.

By: MattD

MattD — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:43:15 -0800

Many, maybe even most, buildings don't have 13th floors. And the aversion to the number four is so common that town halls now frequently see people come down, at the advice of their Realtors to change the address of a house one is selling from "4" to "2" or "6" so that they don't the Asian buyers out of the bidding.

By: imaswinger

imaswinger — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:06:42 -0800

what's funny is here in Vancouver, Canada where there is a recently acquired healthy-sized asian population, my (fairly-new) building now HAS a 13th floor, but no 4th, 14th, 24th, or 34th. And each floor is missing appartment 4. Oddly though, they forgot to omit P4 the lowest parkade, which is ominously present.....

By: thewittyname

thewittyname — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:15:57 -0800

(rant) I hate this stupid superstition crap when it comes to the numbering of floors. Just because you don't like the number 13, doesn't mean that your building does not have a 13th floor. It's still there. Same with 4/14/24/34...etc. I'm always amazed at how the human mind trys to deny the natural world to fit its own weird shortcomings. Stupid stupid stupid. Of course, that defines superstition in general. (/rant) _{_{Of course, this bitterniss has nothing to do with the fact that I was born on the 13th, as was my mother, and both my grandfathers...nothing at all}}

By: Skot

Skot — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:22:24 -0800

The study by Phillips and his co-authors finds that cardiac deaths peak on the fourth of the month for Americans of Chinese and Japanese descent, and that this pattern is not seen among whites. The study used computerized U.S. death certificates to examine more than 200,000 Chinese and Japanese deaths, and 47,000,000 white deaths, from 1973 to 1998. These sample sizes are a bit skewed.

By: mariko

mariko — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:39:21 -0800

I wonder if those stats will change over the years, as younger generations of Japanese and Chinese Americans (as well as those poeple living in their native countries) seem to be MUCH less superstitious about this type of thing. Even many people of my parent's generation think the numbers issue is nonsense. I certainly don't think I'd be more likely to have a heart attack on the 4th of a month.

By: headspace

headspace — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:13:45 -0800

Yep, Japanese goes ichi-ni-san (yon/shi) for one to four, to avoid the shi-death connotation. It was a Chinese import that survives, but with great superstition attached.

By: skallas

skallas — Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:25:06 -0800

Of course the converse of this would be that symbols considered good luck would have a health benefit. Metaprogramming, psychosomatics, and socialization do have an upside you know. If people are becoming less superstitious (as mariko suggests) does that mean that the occasional media article about how this or that is bad for you, even if it really isn't, may affect people? Could published scientific research be the new irrational killer? What does 'real' mean in a world where symbols can kill? Inquiring post-modernists want to know!

By: juv3nal

juv3nal — Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:00:42 -0800

Dunno about Mandarin, but in Cantonese the pronounciation is close, but it's not exactly the same. I imagine it would be exactly the same in Japanese just from what I know about how everything converts to kana.