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Comments on MetaFilter post The Saga of King Tut's GenesMon, 10 Mar 2014 11:28:29 -0800Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:28:29 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60The Saga of King Tut's Genes
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In February 2008, Yehia Gad sequenced Tutankhamun's genes in front of a documentary crew from the Discovery Channel. <a href="https://medium.com/matter/9fb62a68597b">Jo Marchant writes about the previous work studying his tomb and remians and the unfortunate timing of the last study.</a> <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/95184/Revisiting-King-Tutankhamuns-Tomb">(King Tut Previously)</a> <br /><br />As Marchant reports, the sequencing of DNA that had been baking underneath the Egyptian sands for millennia has significant scientific hurdles. The method that Gad used to sequence Tutankhamun, <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110427/full/472404a.html">PCR, is very vulnerable to outside contamination</a>, especially given the amount that his mummy had been handled by modern day people. However, given the recent <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22923880">sequencing of mummy Cat DNA</a>, once they can begin testing again, things do look promising for the future.post:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:23:03 -0800HactarTutankhamunEgyptDNASequencingRevolutionBy: cell divide
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Mummy cats? <a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_image.aspx?image=ps289496.jpg&retpage=15463">Mummy cat</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455849Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:28:29 -0800cell divideBy: Alexandra Kitty
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Came to the link for King Tut, but stayed for the cats...even mummy cats are adorable...comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455903Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:11:40 -0800Alexandra KittyBy: BlueHorse
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Mummy cats?
Please remember to spay and neuter.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455920Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:22:26 -0800BlueHorseBy: three blind mice
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<em>For many Egyptians, the idea that their most famous kings could share some common heritage with their enemies is a hard one to cope with.</em>
Oh come on. In Europe this is a way of life.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455926Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:28:00 -0800three blind miceBy: The 10th Regiment of Foot
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<em>Please remember to spay and neuter.</em>
And then place the organs in a tiny sack that you will later sew up into the abdominal cavity of said cat.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455957Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:40:25 -0800The 10th Regiment of FootBy: The 10th Regiment of Foot
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<em>Oh come on. In Europe this is a way of life.</em>
<a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080428-ancient-tomb_2.html">It ain't just Europeans!</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5455965Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:43:35 -0800The 10th Regiment of FootBy: jetlagaddict
http://www.metafilter.com/137370/The-Saga-of-King-Tuts-Genes#5456000
<blockquote>The technique promises a far more intimate picture of the pharaohs. If used on Tutankhamun, it would retrieve DNA not just from the king himself but from all of the other organisms associated with his mummy; everything from the contents of his stomach, to the plant products used by his embalmers, to the infections he carried. Gad and his colleagues call it the "ancient Egyptian meta-genome."</blockquote>
This would be phenomenal and useful for studying a much broader range of Egyptian lives than just the pharaonic side. I wish, however, that Discovery had never become so into the concept of shows that are basically CSI: Archaeology, however great their investment into the museum and the Egyptian archaeological community was. Fast science is rarely good science, and that includes archaeology. I am constantly asked kind of angrily why we can't simply DNA test every specimen and give real answers about their heritage, which is really part of a bigger conversation about the ramifications around ethics, repatriation, budgets, and the simple limits of existing technology. If this newer technique pans out, that would be a really excellent thing for collections around the world, especially since contamination of specimens is such a big issue for tests like this one.
(Also, I could be wrong on this, but I thought the <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/2089618">evidence</a> that sibling or half-sibling marital relationships for pharaohs in Egypt were common was pretty solid, long before this?)
As a side note, I first learned about Ikram's work in a blurb in<em> Archaeology Magazine</em>, which mentioned (I think) issues around exploding bunny mummies. <em>Exploding bunny mummies.</em>I had just gotten into her alma mater for archaeology, and realized I was going to the right place.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456000Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:55:56 -0800jetlagaddictBy: feckless fecal fear mongering
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<i>Exploding bunny mummies</i>
but but but I don't <i>want</i> a new usernamecomment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456015Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:00:44 -0800feckless fecal fear mongeringBy: Joe in Australia
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<em><blockquote>Egypt has waged several wars with Israel in recent history, and lost most of them, with territories like the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula falling under Tel Aviv's control.</blockquote></em>News flash. Tel Aviv <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Capital_of_Israel">is not the capital of Israel</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456274Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:51:44 -0800Joe in AustraliaBy: Alexandra Kitty
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<em>Mummy cats?
Please remember to spay and neuter.</em>
I got two of my cats from an outdoor cat I first called Mommy Cat...thought she was feral until I found out she had owners who did not follow said sage advice...comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456713Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:57:14 -0800Alexandra KittyBy: homunculus
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<a href="http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/lumps-of-oldest-cheese-found-on-mummies-necks-140227.htm">Mummy cheese!</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456915Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:24:47 -0800homunculusBy: Twang
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Jo Marchant's book about the Antikythera mechanism <i>Decoding the Heavens</i> was a great read. Looking forward to her tale on this topic, <i>Shadow King</i>. Thanks for the tip!comment:www.metafilter.com,2014:site.137370-5456916Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:25:01 -0800Twang
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