Comments on: Deluxe Apartment In The Sky

Deluxe Apartment In The Sky

reenum — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:21:53 -0800

The Tower of David skyscraper in Caracas was abandoned in 1994, and remained vacant until 2007 when squatters moved in. There is now a vibrant community living within its walls.

By: Our Ship Of The Imagination!

Our Ship Of The Imagination! — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:30:33 -0800

Amazing to me. This is really cool. I like the stores and playing basketball in the garage and salvaging metal...sounds like a really busy place. I would have liked to visit Kowloon Walled City some day but this would be very interesting too.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:30:38 -0800

Wow. So, we can assume that there are no elevators running in this building, I suppose? That's a lotta stairs for some of these residents to climb!

By: localroger

localroger — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:41:07 -0800

So many balconies with NO GUARDRAILS AIEEEEEEEEEE

By: ouke

ouke — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:44:11 -0800

This looks like that fun resort where they kept Brody at one point. A modernist setup for the survival of the fittest, brutalism at its best.

By: symbioid

symbioid — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:44:41 -0800

WHAT COMMUNISM IS THIS??? TEAR IT DOWN!!!! We can't just have people living somewhere rent free! Seriously though, that's pretty fucking rad.

By: arcticwoman

arcticwoman — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:46:12 -0800

Wow, that's incredible. The photos really conveyed the life and community within that building.

By: Nelson

Nelson — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:52:53 -0800

This looks like that fun resort where they kept Brody at one point. What, you mean in the Homeland episode "Tower of David"? :-P Those scenes were my favorite part of Season 2, the wretchedness of it. There was a lot written about the real Tower of David when that aired, e.g. The New Yorker. Apparently the TV episode was filmed in Puerto Rico.

By: symbioid

symbioid — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 07:53:26 -0800

I love where the one dude is all dressed up in a suit holding his child and going to work. The dude in number 13, cooking, that masonry looks skeeeeeeeeetchy. And the fact there's little shops in there? That's fucking rad. Seeing those guys at the top scavenging metal... Nope. TOO HIGH! And the 3 kids sitting in a cement window region just talking, I can totally dig that vibe. How do they get electricity? Do they tap something? Is someone actually paying for it? Batteries? Generators? Porta-Fusions? How cyberpunk of a future is this? Is it all classes living here? Mostly underclass? Is anyone collecting rent or is it truly all 100% squatting? Are some of the people being active in these pictures just people who hang out/play here but don't necessarily live here? Who owns this property? SOOOO MANY QUESTIONS!

By: yoink

yoink — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:04:39 -0800

Here's a rather more in-depth piece of reporting on the Tower. It's not quite the unmitigatedly happy story the FPP piece suggests.

By: Thorzdad

Thorzdad — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:05:50 -0800

How do they get electricity? Venezuela's power grid is nationalized, isn't it? I suspect the tower was already hooked to the grid for construction purposes when it was abandoned.

By: hippybear

hippybear — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:15:13 -0800

Previously

By: Tell Me No Lies

Tell Me No Lies — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:22:10 -0800

Water is a more interesting question for me. Anyway, this is really cool. Thanks for posting it.

By: Zeinab Badawi's Twenty Hotels

Zeinab Badawi's Twenty Hotels — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:30:03 -0800

Yeah, this is great, even if I could feel my palms starting to sweat as I scrolled down. Thanks, reenum!

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:30:19 -0800

I came here to post hippybear's Previously. (N.b.: flapjax said "wow" that time too.)

By: Stonestock Relentless

Stonestock Relentless — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:59:54 -0800

Imagine trying to get people to show up to a potluck in a 44th floor walkup.

By: dismas

dismas — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:48:31 -0800

Man, this reminds me a lot of the building where the Karl Urban Dredd takes place.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:05:12 -0800

I get why this is championed by some people, but it just gives me the willies and suggests there is something deeply wrong going on. Why can't the municipality just seize it as abandoned property? Why can't they invest some oil money (I should know, we have a Venezuelan-owned Citgo station near my house) in completing it as properly-built social housing? (I have this fantasy of a low-impact renovation starting on the top floors that gradually installs services and works its way down as residents move into "real" apartments.) The safety issues seem insane -- no balcony railings, no stairway railings, open shafts everywhere, electrical connections with zero relationship to proper codes (designed to, you know, save lives), and so forth. Some of the communal/anarchist elements, on the other hand, do seem like ideas that could be adapted to improve the state of social housing worldwide -- rather than the property-aligned set of rules that seem to lock everyone into defending their own little 750 sq. ft. of turf behind a locked steel door, a self-managed community might manage to avoid some of the urban hellhole end-games of places like Pruitt-Igoe, Cabrini Green, and Red Road. This is all without even considering the sheer terror that comes from seeing that it's being actively dismantled while people are living there. Oh, yes, I'm sure those steel beams are doing absolutely nothing for the structural integrity....

By: arcticseal

arcticseal — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:27:29 -0800

I'd like to see the city or state seize it and bring it up to code so it's safe for the residents. You could then increase the number of residents and make it a real community. Rent controlled so it's not simply bought by the rich and it remains social housing.

By: Dr Dracator

Dr Dracator — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:29:39 -0800

Water is a more interesting question for me. That and waste - probably enough of the plumbing was in place already when construction stopped, I don't think it could be made to work otherwise.

By: Brian B.

Brian B. — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:40:30 -0800

Wikipedia

By: MtDewd

MtDewd — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:19:59 -0800

YouTube No elevators. Communal water and electricity.

By: The Legit Republic of Blanketsburg

The Legit Republic of Blanketsburg — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:30:29 -0800

This future we find ourselves living in, ~~Its just like the old gypsy woman said!~~ feels more and more like the dystopias William Gibson's writings prepared me for. Expecting nano-machines growing reinforcements into quake damaged towers and SpecOps guys in microlight aircraft hacking soviet defense systems with cyberspace decks any day now. (#occupyoldbaybridge anyone?). Thanks for posting this!

By: jpe

jpe — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:37:18 -0800

the property-aligned set of rules that seem to lock everyone into defending their own little 750 sq. ft. of turf behind a locked steel door I don't quite follow that. It seems to me that the system of property rights is why I *don't* have to defend my property.

By: 2N2222

2N2222 — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:46:00 -0800

This is all without even considering the sheer terror that comes from seeing that it's being actively dismantled while people are living there. Oh, yes, I'm sure those steel beams are doing absolutely nothing for the structural integrity.... Lets play jenga with our building!

By: maxwelton

maxwelton — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:59:29 -0800

I agree that it would be lovely to actually finish this so comfort and safety could be brought to the residents, but then you have another high-rise "projects"-type housing, which probably wouldn't house these particular people, eh? And I image after 20 years in the weather, it's almost certainly a tear-down in any case. And I assume every country in the world has situations like that, including and perhaps especially the US, it's just usually old warehouses and other nondescript structures.

By: localroger

localroger — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 13:01:26 -0800

In the US the cops would have cleared it out on general principles, it being better to make homeless people freeze and starve than to let them use property they're not paying for.

By: jammy

jammy — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 15:25:08 -0800

Here's a rather more in-depth piece of reporting on the Tower. It's not quite the unmitigatedly happy story the FPP piece suggests. On Venezuela, The New Yorker's Jon Lee Anderson Fails at Arithmetic - "As the magazine's correspondent for Venezuela and author of a January piece on the country that stretched to over 10,000 words, Anderson was the subject of withering ridicule. Jim Naureckas of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting wrote that Anderson's article appeared 'almost like a parody of corporate media coverage of an official enemy state.' Economist Mark Weisbrot similarly noted that Anderson wasn't 'letting commonly agreed-upon facts and numbers get in the way' of his plodding diatribe against Chávez's failures."

By: 2N2222

2N2222 — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:03:42 -0800

In the US the cops would have cleared it out on general principles, it being better to make homeless people freeze and starve than to let them use property they're not paying for. Yes, they would have cleared it out on general principle. General principle of code violations and public safety.

By: Tell Me No Lies

Tell Me No Lies — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:40:14 -0800

>Water is a more interesting question for me. That and waste - probably enough of the plumbing was in place already when construction stopped, I don't think it could be made to work otherwise. Water needs to go up. Waste will come down, one way or another.

By: the young rope-rider

the young rope-rider — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:05:11 -0800

That New Yorker article is pretty bad.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:20:37 -0800

I came here to post hippybear's Previously. (N.b.: flapjax said "wow" that time too.) Wow.

By: happyroach

happyroach — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 19:01:04 -0800

This is all without even considering the sheer terror that comes from seeing that it's being actively dismantled while people are living there. Why shouldn't they take out apart for the steel? It's nit life anybody owns it. Some people get free living space, others get free steel. Everybody wins!

By: homunculus

homunculus — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 01:11:57 -0800

I came here to show solidarity with those who say "wow." Wow.

By: ceribus peribus

ceribus peribus — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:55:50 -0800

I wonder how much of a fire hazard that place is.

By: Doroteo Arango II

Doroteo Arango II — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:25:25 -0800

Yeah, all these people could sleep on sidewalks built to code, and cook under bridges where there is no fire hazard.

By: yoink

yoink — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:30:53 -0800

On Venezuela, The New Yorker's Jon Lee Anderson Fails at Arithmetic - They're criticizing the piece for its overall background descriptions of Venezuela; they're not criticizing his specific reporting on the Tower, which is the subject of the FPP. The criticism of the portrait of Venezuela is pretty hilarious, by the way: "how DARE you say that Venezuela has the worst murder rate in Latin America!!! It's the third worst! We're number three! We're number three! We're number three!" I mean, sure, that's a mistake worth correcting in small print in some future edition, but getting into such a lather about something that is really of no consequence whatsoever (Venezuela has a very, very high murder rate and that's a bad thing, either way) betrays a deeply partisan engagement with the subject.

By: symbioid

symbioid — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:48:18 -0800

homunculus: "I came here to show solidarity with those who say "wow." Wow." Anybody else really really really getting tired of this Doge thing"?

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 08:23:25 -0800

Get along little Doge.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 10:16:57 -0800

Look, Doroteo Arango II, I don't care whether it's the Tower of David, a favela in Rio, or the ghetto in Chicago. This tower being inhabited the way it is represents a failure of the society that it is in to provide sufficient and safe housing for its people. That is not a criticism of the people who are living there. Yes, building codes raise the cost of housing much the way that minimum wages raise the cost of labor or safety regulations raise the cost of imported goods or food. There's no getting around that. It's highlighting a problem that needs to be solved. One can complain about gentrification or whatnot all one wants, but people living in firetraps with fall hazards deserve better.

By: BlueHorse

BlueHorse — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:48:01 -0800

People deserve better, but when they can't have anything better, this is better than living on the street. Dystopian, yes. It's coming folks.

By: localroger

localroger — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 15:00:54 -0800

I wonder how much of a fire hazard that place is. Probably not as much as a finished building. Bare concrete and steel don't burn too well. Yes, they would have cleared it out on general principle. General principle of code violations and public safety. Of course this is the excuse they would use. Anyone familiar with what passes for standard construction practice in Latin America would howl with laughter at the suggestion that it is anything but hatred for the poor though.

By: the young rope-rider

the young rope-rider — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 04:09:47 -0800

I mean, sure, that's a mistake worth correcting in small print in some future edition, but getting into such a lather about something that is really of no consequence whatsoever It's evidence that the reporting is either sloppy, or actively deceptive, when the reporting is wrong about something easy to check, and it's in service of their narrative (vs something like the spelling of a name). This isn't a daily newspaper. They have months to get these things right.