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"You don't want a criminal lawyer. You want a criminal lawyer."

Room 641-A — Tue, 19 May 2015 20:17:55 -0800

The New Mexico Law Review just published an issue dedicated entirely to Breaking Bad. It features eight articles that analyze the illegal acts committed on the show, their real-world parallels, and the consequences attached:

Given the array of legal issues raised, our editorial board was excited to take the opportunity to present analysis of Breaking Bad by scholars and legal practitioners. In April 2014 we issued a call for papers requesting abstracts on topics including the application of the Fourth Amendment to drug crimes under the New Mexico and/or U.S. Constitutions; the War on Drugs; ethical duties of lawyers; drug-offense sentencing; drug enforcement in rural, urban, and/or Tribal areas; and substance abuse and the law.

Some of the greatest legal minds in New Mexico (and the country) came together to examine how Walter White would look to a jury, how the war on drugs affects peripheral citizens like Skyler, and whether Heisenberg could have stayed legit by fighting for his stake in Grey Matter in the courts. [via]

All links [PDF]:

Introduction

Breaking Bad in the Classroom

Why We Would Spare Walter White: Breaking Bad and the True Power of Mitigation

"Better Call Saul" If You Want Discoverable Communications: The Misrepresentation of the Attorney-Client Privilege on Breaking Bad

The Good and (Breaking) Bad of Deceptive Police Practices

Stuck Between a Rock and a Meth Cooking Husband: What Breaking Bad's Skyler White Teaches Us About How the War on Drugs and Public Antipathy Constrain Women of Circumstance's Choices

Breaking BATNAS: Negotiation Lessons From Walter White

The Political Geography of Plea Bargaining in Federal Death Penalty Cases

Don't Bake––Litigate! A Practitioner's Guide on How Walter White Should Have Protected His Interests in Gray Matter, and His Litigation Options for Building an "Empire Business" Through the Courts, Not the Cartel

By: Flashman

Flashman — Tue, 19 May 2015 20:36:14 -0800

I'd love to have a hard copy of this.

By: anewnadir

anewnadir — Tue, 19 May 2015 21:15:50 -0800

subscription information here.

By: clarknova

clarknova — Tue, 19 May 2015 21:28:55 -0800

A good friend of mine was recently convicted of a crime he obviously didn't commit. His attorney was terrible. He misrepresented his experience. He ignored 90% of the exculpatory evidence my friend prepared and refused to present it in court. He lied about the case he would present. He gave a closing argument that consisted of rambling anecdotes about law school, which it became apparent he'd just graduated from. And he constantly referred to Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul as examples of effective lawyering. Watching my friend struggle to find adequate representation it became apparent that crooked attorneys aren't crooked because they break rules to get guilty clients off. Sauls are actually quite rare. Real crooked attorneys simply take your money, do no work, and give you consoling mouth noises when you lose. My friend thought the evidince and an honest defense would see him through. At the end he would have been a thousand times happier with a Saul than a lazy punter who chatted about Saul during billable hours.

By: dialetheia

dialetheia — Tue, 19 May 2015 21:42:11 -0800

Huh, this part isn't right. [spoiler alert I guess?] From the introduction: After interacting with a former student, Jesse Pinkman, while buying marijuana to alleviate the side effects of chemotherapy, Walt hatches a plan to use his substantial chemistry skills to produce a higher quality meth than was available on the streets of Albuquerque ... Walt saw Jesse when he did the ride-along with Hank, then he went to Jesse's house to talk him into cooking. He wasn't buying weed. He wasn't even in chemotherapy yet at that point.

By: hal_c_on

hal_c_on — Tue, 19 May 2015 22:01:30 -0800

I'd love to have a hard copy of this. Print it and copy it. Get all the money and fuck them all. (cue 'Breaking Bad' theme music)

By: heisenberg

heisenberg — Tue, 19 May 2015 22:41:04 -0800

This is relevant to my interests

By: adept256

adept256 — Tue, 19 May 2015 22:42:37 -0800

Some of the greatest legal minds in New Mexico (and the country) came together to figure out a way to get free Breaking Bad box sets.

By: maupuia

maupuia — Tue, 19 May 2015 22:44:31 -0800

This is relevant to my interests posted by heisenberg Personally, I'm waiting to saulgoodman to chip in here.

By: Rhaomi

Rhaomi — Tue, 19 May 2015 23:20:50 -0800

dialetheia: "Walt saw Jesse when he did the ride-along with Hank, then he went to Jesse's house to talk him into cooking. He wasn't buying weed. He wasn't even in chemotherapy yet at that point." I think the author was just misremembering -- the weed-for-chemo thing was Walt's impromptu cover story for his relationship with Jesse after Skyler confronted him about it at the hospital after Holly was born.

By: Braeburn

Braeburn — Tue, 19 May 2015 23:45:07 -0800

My legal inspirations are, in no order, Denning, Bingham, Goodman and Lionel Hutz.

By: Copronymus

Copronymus — Tue, 19 May 2015 23:46:46 -0800

I'm not going to lie, I yelled aloud when Saul tried to get the Kettlemans to sign an actual engagement letter. It will probably be as close as I'll ever come to seeing the kind of stuff I do for a giant law firm dramatized unless I somehow get my Ethical Conflicts of Interest Rules and How to Break Them musical staged.

By: palmcorder_yajna

palmcorder_yajna — Wed, 20 May 2015 00:15:07 -0800

I know what you mean, Copronymus. For me, the yell-out-loud moment was when they had a plot-point about Westlaw passwords and billing codes.

By: rankfreudlite

rankfreudlite — Wed, 20 May 2015 02:01:49 -0800

If practicing law is outlawed, only criminals will practice law.

By: BWA

BWA — Wed, 20 May 2015 05:40:55 -0800

No contributors from the University of American Samoa, I notice.

By: joyceanmachine

joyceanmachine — Wed, 20 May 2015 07:23:41 -0800

I yelled aloud when Saul tried to get the Kettlemans to sign an actual engagement letter. the yell-out-loud moment was when they had a plot-point about Westlaw passwords and billing codes. Mr. Machine is recovering from being involved in biglaw. I'm still in it. Mr. Machine is a huge Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul fan. Historically, despite sustained campaigning on his part, I've refused to watch anything to do with Breaking Bad, but after reading those comments, I wandered out of the bedroom this morning and started yelling about oh my GOD ENGAGEMENT LETTERS AND WESTLAW PASSWORDS AND BILLING CODES I NEED TO SEE IT RIGHT NOW Mr. Machine just sighed and said, "I told you so."

By: Harvey Kilobit

Harvey Kilobit — Wed, 20 May 2015 08:35:03 -0800

Side question: I've been hesitant to watch Breaking Bad for all the violence. Is Better Call Saul more light-hearted? Is it still "bad people treating other people badly?"

By: joedan

joedan — Wed, 20 May 2015 08:41:51 -0800

I think it's more lighthearted. It's certainly not as violent. IIRC, there are two scenes of graphic violence in the first season of Better Call Saul, neither of which are as severe as the scenes of violence in Breaking Bad.

By: Copronymus

Copronymus — Wed, 20 May 2015 08:54:30 -0800

Yeah, I'd say it's a notch or two less dark. It's certainly not a sitcom like it was originally pitched as, but it's definitely less violent and somewhat less about Terrible Men who are compelled to do Terrible Things.

By: cmoj

cmoj — Wed, 20 May 2015 09:35:54 -0800

Although, soft spoiler alert, Saul has explicitly "broken bad" at this point, and Mike is still a terrifying lawful-neutral hardboiled Punisher, so I'm expecting increasing amounts of violence in the coming seasons.

By: CCBC

CCBC — Wed, 20 May 2015 15:47:07 -0800

My legal inspirations are, in no order, Denning, Bingham, Goodman and Lionel Hutz. The essay on Attorney-Client Privilege actually cites The Simpsons in the footnotes, both times referencing Lionel Hutz. I think the authors had a lot of fun writing that paper.

By: Sweet Dee Kat

Sweet Dee Kat — Wed, 20 May 2015 18:18:12 -0800

My yelling moment was when Jimmy was asked his hourly rate by the guy who wanted a sovereign nation and I'm shouting, "450! Say 450!"

By: scalefree

scalefree — Wed, 20 May 2015 19:32:13 -0800

If practicing law is outlawed, only criminals will practice law. Which is different from what we have now because...

By: rankfreudlite

rankfreudlite — Wed, 20 May 2015 19:53:25 -0800

If practicing law is outlawed, only criminals will practice law. Which is different from what we have now because... Yeah! That's what I want to know.

By: Room 641-A

Room 641-A — Wed, 20 May 2015 20:36:24 -0800

I'd love to have a hard copy of this. I just crossed three names off my x-mas shopping list.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Wed, 20 May 2015 20:56:20 -0800

Oh please, you don't have to go to the trouble. I'll just go to my local law school library and steal it.

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