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Comments on MetaFilter post Green LeaderWed, 10 Jun 2015 23:36:44 -0800Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:36:44 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Green Leader
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader
<a href="http://www.space-mullet.com/2015/06/05/green-leader/">Green Leader,</a> a comic by Daniel Warren Johnson (Single Link Star Wars)post:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:29:24 -0800EatTheWeakStarWarsAWingReturnOfTheJediAWingPilotGreenLeadercomicwebcomicfanficDanielWarrenJohnsonBy: limeonaire
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082318
For a second I thought Daniel Johnston. Heh.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082318Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:36:44 -0800limeonaireBy: blueberry
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082324
Nice. I would read one of these about all of the "bit" players.
And it's funny how a few pages of well drawn, wordless images eclipse all of Lucas' attempts at writing characters you care much for in the prequels.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082324Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:45:13 -0800blueberryBy: MartinWisse
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082338
Excellent.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082338Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:38:56 -0800MartinWisseBy: EndsOfInvention
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082339
Great stuff.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082339Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:48:36 -0800EndsOfInventionBy: PenDevil
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082341
How many deaths on your hands, Calamari?!? HOW MANY!?!comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082341Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:08:17 -0800PenDevilBy: D.C.
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082346
Comic better than the actual Star Wars film it is based on.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082346Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:48:26 -0800D.C.By: yerfatma
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082446
There are a lot of great <em>Star Wars</em> comic books out there. Too many in fact, so I can never keep track of which I've read and which I have not. Currently enjoying the new Marvel series (and would recommend any SW book drawn by John Cassaday even if the story were crap) and <em>Dark Times</em>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082446Thu, 11 Jun 2015 05:24:44 -0800yerfatmaBy: bl1nk
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082568
Many years ago, I was in love with a woman who, in an alternate universe, would totally have been a badass X-wing pilot; and we had a good and healthy way of pushing each other to be bolder, stronger, and supporting each other when things got scary or uncomfortable, and then look back on our adventures with fondness and smiles long after the bruises and scars faded. It was a good, important relationship that lasted for years, but had its end, which was sad but necessary, and we're still friends.
Now, the woman who shares my life is not the sort who would ever want to fly an X-wing into the jaws of death; but there are many other aspects of her that I love, and many other ways that we support each other. That relationship is magnificent and wonderful and amazing.
And at the end of this comic I wanted to go to both of them, hold them close, and not let go for a while.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082568Thu, 11 Jun 2015 06:52:02 -0800bl1nkBy: nubs
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082764
<em>And it's funny how a few pages of well drawn, wordless images eclipse all of Lucas' attempts at writing characters you care much for in the prequels.</em>
That, so much. Lucas' writing is like the best example of how not to do characterization. Or plot. Or anything. It feels to me like he has no faith in the audience to understand anything, so he has to cram every square inch of visual space with stuff and then provide clunky dialogue about everything that is happening so that we don't miss it. I know the films are aimed at children, but in my experience, children are much more astute at picking up on subtle cues in their stories than adults.
<em>How many deaths on your hands, Calamari?!? HOW MANY!?!</em>
Don't answer that! IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!!comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082764Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:07:22 -0800nubsBy: the man of twists and turns
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082779
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http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082940
<em>How many deaths on your hands, Calamari?!? HOW MANY!?!</em>
I KNOW! They just changed the name of Central Avenue on Coruscant to "Admiral Ackbar Boulevard"! Can you believe it? "Butcher" Ackbar? I can't even call it that- I lost too many friends at Endor.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082940Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:36:59 -0800TheWhiteSkullBy: Atreides
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6082994
Gosh, this is a sore subject for me, the A-wing that took out the <i>Executor</i>.
First, let me say before I rant, I loved the comic and the art. Very well done.
Second, this comic definitely romanticizes what happened in the film (which makes the A-wing's pilot's plight better).
Prior to his A-wing flying into the bridge of the Super Star Destroyer, in the midst of the battle, Ackbar commands, "Focus all fire power on the super star destroyer!" (This was after they were forced to engage with the Imperial fleet at cross range to prevent them from being sitting ducks for the Death Star's laser.)
Then we have the A-Wing flying along and gets hit, the impact and subsequent explosion causing the small fighter craft to start spinning on its axis as it flies straight toward the bridge of the enemy ship. The pilot screams and then the A-wing plows into the bridge. It comes across, in the best light, as if the A-wing pilot managed to steer his soon to be exploded ship into the bridge in a suicidal attack (because he already knew he was dead). The damage to the bridge then somehow affects the system of the entire ship, causing it to "drop" into a perpendicular impact into the surface of the incomplete Death Star.
At the sight of the Super Star Destroyer exploding into the surface, we cut to Ackbar, who gives an impression of exhaling, as if his command was directly responsible for bringing down the <i>Executor</i>. C'MON.
The Super Star Destroyer was taken out because, at best, an A-Wing pilot had the skill and time to direct his critically damaged ship into the bridge of the ship. At the very best, he knew from Ackbar's command that the ship was a primary target. At the worse, he simply made the best of a terrible situation, and Ackbar should have ZERO credit for the destruction of the ship. (At the extreme, extreme worse, the A-wing just happened to be on a flight path and out of control and it was pure coincidence that it hit the bridge - SORRY ADMIRAL PIETT).
It's always felt as if the film implied that the ship went down based on the incredible generalship of Ackbar...and it's always seemed that was anything but the case. He got lucky because an A-wing pilot managed to kamikazee the ship. Meh.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6082994Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:56:01 -0800AtreidesBy: snottydick
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083035
<em>who gives an impression of exhaling, as if his command was directly responsible for bringing down the Executor.</em>
Well, that's certainly open to interpretation. My read is that he's exhaling partly in relief at seeing a significant enemy asset removed from the battlefield, and partly in exhaustion because he knows that the job is still far from over.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083035Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:12:08 -0800snottydickBy: Nice Guy Mike
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083131
Really? That's how you read Ackbar's behaviour? I don't, and never have. To me, he was always slumping his shoulders in regret at the horrible cost of what just happened - perhaps an element of relief, but only in the sense of <i>maybe we'll live for another minute extra here</i>...
Compare and contrast the response of the rest of the Calamari bridge crew around him, whooping and hollering and the victory (which, BTW, I always thought was one of the weakest effects in the space battle, specifically the speed and size of of the gout of flame - it's the length of the <em>Executor</em> - when it hits the Death Star).comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083131Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:44:17 -0800Nice Guy MikeBy: Atreides
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083308
<a href="https://youtu.be/RW_hGOFukMQ">Here's the clip, by the way.</a>
In the comic, it definitely portrays Ackbar as feeling the loss of the pilot and the sacrifice. And perhaps to be clearer, I see this as how the <i>film</i> portrays the moment, not necessarily as if Ackbar is a glory hound. Perhaps its the celebration behind him, but the close proximity of his order to attack the Super Star Destroyer combined with his leaning back, conveys a sense of, "Look what Ackbar did," to me.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083308Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:12:17 -0800AtreidesBy: mazola
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083530
Admiral Piett escaped that. Just you wait and see when he figures prominently in Star Wars Ep VII.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083530Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:35:05 -0800mazolaBy: ob1quixote
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083532
Warn me next time. Jesus.
<i>P.S.</i> Thanks, <strong>EatTheWeak</strong>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083532Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:35:45 -0800ob1quixoteBy: happyroach
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083676
Fighter kamikaze charge aside, I figured that when the main bridge was destroyed, control was passed to the emergency bridge, but it did't have any windows so they couldn't tell where they were going. They might not have gotten spotters with sextants out onto the hull in time, or some lieutenant yelled the wrong directions into a voice tube.
Yes, Star Wars works much better if you assume a baseline W.W.II era level of technology.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083676Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:02:48 -0800happyroachBy: nubs
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6083765
<em>(film Akbar) Perhaps its the celebration behind him, but the close proximity of his order to attack the Super Star Destroyer combined with his leaning back, conveys a sense of, "Look what Ackbar did," to me.</em>
I've always perceived it as a response of general exhaustion, weariness, and sadness - the staff might be celebrating behind him, but Ackbar knows the battle is far from over, they have lost plenty of troops already, and the day is not yet won. Ackbar feels very much distant from any celebration or exhilaration to me.
I always find it interesting how perspectives differ on moments like that on film; and it is a rare moment in a Star Wars film because we aren't clearly told how to feel/perceive the moment and every interpretation of Ackbar in the moment is equally valid.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6083765Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:59:38 -0800nubsBy: Nice Guy Mike
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084214
<i>Ackbar feels very much distant from any celebration or exhilaration to me.</i>
Yeah, that distance really screams out to me when I watch the movie.
<i>I always find it interesting how perspectives differ on moments like that on film; and it is a rare moment in a Star Wars film because we aren't clearly told how to feel/perceive the moment and every interpretation of Ackbar in the moment is equally valid.</i>
Agreed, and apologies to Atreides if my comment came off as disparaging, it wasn't intended to be - it was just a little hurriedly written.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084214Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:00:57 -0800Nice Guy MikeBy: Atreides
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084285
Apologies unnecessary. This is a passionate topic!
Slightly back to the main topic, anyone ever noticed how the casualty rates for the Rebel star fighters are generally frightfully high?
In the Battle of Yavin, we have two flight wings, one X-wings and one Y-wings. Of the X-wings, maybe two or three survive the battle, including Luke? Of the Y-wings, again, less than half, if not less than 2/3 make it out.
At least on the starfighters fleeing the half-constructed Death Star, it seems not many of them accompanied the Falcon before it exploded. (I think Lando commands all fighters to follow him into the DS?) Was Green Leader just an unfortunate statistic of Star Fighter attrition?comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084285Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:42:17 -0800AtreidesBy: nubs
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084340
I could be wrong, but I think the only survivors of the Battle of Yavin are Luke and Wedge (plus Han and Chewie, who show up late)?
But it is an interesting problem the Empire has - ship to ship/fighter to fighter they seem to do very well against the Rebels. In a straight up gunfight, however, they tend to get their asses kicked. Perhaps they should just do everything from a TIE fighter cockpit.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084340Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:08:44 -0800nubsBy: Atreides
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084369
According to Wookiepedia, you're right, except there's one Y-wing that also made it. It also claims there were a total of 32 star fighters that departed for the battle. OWCH.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084369Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:20:40 -0800AtreidesBy: nubs
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084405
Ah right, I remember the Y-wing now. Wedge Antellies is the only pilot to survive every battle of the films (besides Luke), I think. My head is full of useless trivia.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084405Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:37:35 -0800nubsBy: Atreides
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084544
And to be fair, Luke removed himself from the statistical likelihood of death in a star fighter battle. He only had to worry about two people, both who pretty much wanted to win him over to their side...at least, until he said no. Half points to the Falcon since it was really only around for the last bit of the Battle of Yavin.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084544Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:09:54 -0800AtreidesBy: caution live frogs
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084677
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6084405">nubs</a>: "<i>Wedge Antellies is the only pilot to survive every battle of the films (besides Luke), I think. My head is full of useless trivia.</i>"
I know, right? Like the fact that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lawson">Wedge</a> is also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewan_McGregor">Obi Wan's</a> uncle.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6084677Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:58:36 -0800caution live frogsBy: snottydick
http://www.metafilter.com/150382/Green-Leader#6087774
<em>there's one Y-wing that also made it.</em>
And, of course, there's a story for that <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Keyan_Farlander">pilot</a> as well.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.150382-6087774Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:12:37 -0800snottydick
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