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<blockquote>In the 1920s the US industrialist wanted to found a city based on the values that made his company a success – while, of course, producing cheap rubber. The jungle city that bore his name ended up one of his biggest failures</blockquote>
Drew Reed, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/19/lost-cities-10-fordlandia-failure-henry-ford-amazon">Fordlandia – the failure of Henry Ford's utopian city in the Amazon</a>, <i>The Guardian</i> (19 August 2016). <br /><br />This essay forms the last installment in a series of essays on <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/series/lost-cities">Lost Cities</a> that the <i>Guardian</i> is running as part of its <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities">Cities</a> sub-site. The other essays, in order of publication:
<blockquote>In the 19th century, European visitors to this abandoned medieval city refused to believe that indigenous Africans could have built such an extensive network of monuments. Such ignorance was disastrous for the remains of Great Zimbabwe.</blockquote>
Mawuna Koutonin, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/18/great-zimbabwe-medieval-lost-city-racism-ruins-plundering">Lost cities #9: racism and ruins – the plundering of Great Zimbabwe</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (18 August 2016).
<blockquote>Long before Columbus reached the Americas, Cahokia was the biggest, most cosmopolitan city north of Mexico. Yet by 1350 it had been deserted by its native inhabitants the Mississippians – and no one is sure why.</blockquote>
Lee Bey, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/17/lost-cities-8-mystery-ahokia-illinois-mississippians-native-americans-vanish">Lost cities #8: mystery of Cahokia – why did North America's largest city vanish?</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (17 August 2016).
<blockquote>Recent laser surveys have revealed traces of a vast urban settlement, comparable in size to Los Angeles, around the temples of Angkor in the Cambodian jungle. The ancient Khmer capital was never lost ... it just got a bit overgrown.</blockquote>
Oliver Wainwright, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/16/lost-cities-6-angkor-wat-nasa-technology-khmer-megacity">Lost cities #7: how Nasa technology uncovered the 'megacity' of Angkor</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (16 August 2016).
<blockquote>Ancient Egypt's gateway to the Mediterranean – submerged and buried under layers of sand – is an eerie reminder of how vulnerable cities are to nature's forces</blockquote>
Jack Shenker, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/15/lost-cities-6-thonis-heracleion-egypt-sunken-sea">Lost cities #6: how Thonis-Heracleion resurfaced after 1,000 years under water</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (15 August 2016).
<blockquote>Once the world's biggest city, the Silk Road metropolis of Merv in modern Turkmenistan destroyed by Genghis Khan's son and the Mongols in AD1221 with an estimated 700,000 deaths. It never fully recovered.</blockquote>
Kanishk Tharoor, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/12/lost-cities-merv-worlds-biggest-city-razed-turkmenistan">Lost cities #5: how the magnificent city of Merv was razed – and never recovered</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (12 August 2016).
<blockquote>Of all the lost cities in the world, ancient Pompeii is the most 'found'. The volcanic eruption that destroyed the Roman city also froze it in time – but now, 2,000 years later, it is alive with people who threaten its existence all over again.</blockquote>
Emily Mann, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/11/lost-cities-4-pompeii-roman-preserved-disaster-vesuvius-volcano-second-extinction">Lost cities #4: Pompeii was preserved by disaster. Now it risks ruin all over again</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (11 August 2016).
<blockquote>In the first century BC it was one of India's most important trading ports, whose exports – especially black pepper – kept even mighty Rome in debt. But have archaeologists really found the site of Muziris, and why did it drop off the map?</blockquote>
Srinath Perur, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/10/lost-cities-3-muziris-india-kerala-ancient-port-black-pepper">Lost cities #3 – Muziris: did black pepper cause the demise of India's ancient port?</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (10 August 2016).
<blockquote>The location, and even the existence, of the city that inspired Homer's greatest works has been a source of dispute throughout the ages. Hisarlik in Turkey is the strongest candidate – and its discovery was an epic tale too.</blockquote>
Naomi Larsson, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/09/lost-cities-2-search-real-troy-hisarlik-turkey-mythology-homer-iliad">Lost cities #2: the search for the real Troy – 'not just one city but at least 10'</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (9 August 2016).
<blockquote>Besieged by wars and weather, 'restored' by Saddam Hussein, what has become of mystical Babylon?</blockquote>
Justin Marozzi, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/08/lost-cities-1-babylon-iraq-war-history-mankind-greatest-heritage-site">Lost cities #1: Babylon – how war almost erased 'mankind's greatest heritage site'</a>, <i>Guardian</i> (8 August 2016).post:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:13:39 -0800Sonny JimcitieslostcitiesimperialismhistoryurbanhistoryancienthistorycivilizationclimatechangecollapseFordlandiaHenryFordZimbabweGreatZimbabweCahokiaAngkorThonis-HeracleionMervPompeiiMuzirisTroyBabylonarchaeologyMacaulayBy: FirstMateKate
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<em>The British began growing rubber in Sri Lanka, after a rubber tree's seeds were famously smuggled out of Brazil. And by the beginning of the century, this produce was vastly outperforming Brazil's rubber crop. The Amazon basin, heavily dependent on proceeds from rubber sales, was devastated.</em>
I literally cannot handle how much and far and deep imperialism has reached and ruined.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6674974Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:23:54 -0800FirstMateKateBy: infini
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<a href="/109484/Great-Zimbabwe-An-African-empire">Great Zimbabwe</a>
<a href="/109920/Precious-Loss">Gede</a>
<a href="/54083/Henrys-Fordlandia-Flop">Fordlandia
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thank you Sonny Jim, I love lost cities!comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6674975Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:25:10 -0800infiniBy: clavdivs
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"I literally cannot handle how much and far and deep imperialism has reached and ruined."
Yes. rubber seeds were smuggled out in 1879. The impact of the first Brazil rubber boom created wealth an<em></em>d ruination. Brazil also had another rubber boom in the 40s, I'm assuming it was to replace the loss of SE asia rubber.
Huh, I never thought of the place as a city.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6674989Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:48:36 -0800clavdivsBy: lownote
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This is amazing, thanks! I love these stories. I can't figure out how people can be so imaginative and ambitious with a track record of success while also being so backwards and misguided. It's like real life bioshock.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6674998Fri, 19 Aug 2016 06:00:26 -0800lownoteBy: Melismata
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IIRC, Bill Bryson devotes an entire chapter to Fordlandia somewhere. Great post, thanks!comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675091Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:25:47 -0800MelismataBy: Sonny Jim
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More <a href="http://www.scottchandler.ca/projects/fordlandia/">photos of Fordlândia</a>, taken by photographer <a href="http://scottchandler.ca/">Scott Chandler</a> (via the <i>Guardian</i> comments section).
<i><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUXLim2HIvU">Unnatural Histories: Amazon</a></i> (via <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0122njp">BBC Four</a>)—for the benefit of those who can get around the geo-blocking.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675094Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:26:42 -0800Sonny JimBy: adamvasco
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My buddy the guide <a href="http://www.gilserique.com/books.php">Gil Serique</a> contributed mightily to both <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001TMCF2O/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/">Thief at the end of the world</a> about the fortune hunter Henry Wickham and his collaboration with the empire that fueled, then abandoned him. In 1876, Wickham smuggled 70,000 rubber tree seeds out of the rainforests of Brazil and delivered them to Victorian England's most prestigious scientists at Kew Gardens. Gil also helped Greg Grandin with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00FO7LVHA/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/">Fordlandia</a> The Rise and Fall of Henry Ford's Forgotten Jungle City.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675133Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:51:11 -0800adamvascoBy: filthy light thief
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<i>The ancient Khmer capital was never lost ... it just got a bit overgrown.</i>
I think this is true of a number of city sites in temperate jungle regions, like <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/05/amazon-dorado-satellite-discovery">a sophisticated pre-Columbian monument-building society</a> whose developments covered 155 miles and were only re-discovered thanks to satellite photography.
<a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14112-how-long-does-it-take-a-rainforest-to-regenerate/">Certain aspects of the Brazilian Atlantic forest could return within 65 years</a>, and that's a huge area of modern deforestation.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675157Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:10:40 -0800filthy light thiefBy: Greg Nog
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The Cahokia story was nice to see included!
It's very close to St Louis, and when I went to check it out, I was really amazed by how little attention is paid to it. It's just... some big mounds. A small "tourist center" that was closed during regular business hours. A few signs. That's about it. All around, empty stretches of potholed roads and vacant land. A few joggers were there, using the paths up the mounds as a makeshift stair-climbing-type exercise terrain. Some wild deer wandering through the woodsier parts of the area. Very few visitors, most of whom just seemed to be locals.
The comparison to the St Louis Arch that the article makes seemed apt; the Arch is full of visitors! You can ride an extremely cramped shitty little metal pod up to the top, and at the top, there's one small hallway with a few windows you can look out of. The hallway is packed, it's hard to get a good look out the windows, and the height is... not really that extraordinary? It's like looking out the window of a skyscraper. It kind of sucks, a bit. And yet the Arch tours are pricey, they sell out quick, everyone asks if you've been up the Arch, international visitors bustle around the gift shop, there are breathless videos about the making of the Arch on TVs in the waiting area. The Arch is a big deal!
But Cahokia, just a few miles away, is comparatively almost entirely unnoticed. It's really, really weird. Not just that there was once a teeming pre-Columbian city there that no longer exists, but that its mysterious nonexistence isn't fetishized in any kind of piquant way for tourists. Just a vast, empty expanse of non-interest, free to enter, free to leave.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675186Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:29:24 -0800Greg NogBy: eye of newt
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<a href="http://murderiseverywhere.blogspot.com/2012/06/daniel-k-ludwig-and-jari-project.html">Daniel Ludwig</a>, one of the richest people in the world at the time, also tried to conquer the Amazon with his ideas, spending over a billion dollars and actually shipping an entire Japanese built paper factory up the river.
It too flopped and, similarly, the area now has had somewhat of a resurgence.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675254Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:11:03 -0800eye of newtBy: Herodios
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Good Ford!
O brave new world,
That has such cities in't.
comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675386Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:55:28 -0800HerodiosBy: clavdivs
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<small>"oops there goes another rubber tree plant"<small></small></small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675532Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:42:42 -0800clavdivsBy: rokusan
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The problem with Fordlandia was the branding.
<em>Hankopolis</em> might have been epic.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675544Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:49:08 -0800rokusanBy: adamvasco
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I forwarded the Guardian article to Gil who reminded me about <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/US/9811/30/autos.holocaust/">Ford´s Nazi connections</a>. He also told me that on his last recent trip to Fordlandia he found his great-grandmother´s grave.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675549Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:52:09 -0800adamvascoBy: hwestiii
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My recollection is that one of Richard Powers' early novels, either "Three Farmers on Their Way to a Dance", or "Prisoner's Dilemma" discusses Fordlandia at some length.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6675648Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:03:11 -0800hwestiiiBy: easily confused
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Henry Ford "took pride in the fair treatment of his staff" --- you betcha, he was all about fair treatment for everyone, as long as they were white, Protestant males. Jewish or Black or any shade of brown? Nope, nope, nope. Irish or Italian or even worse Mexicans? More damn foreigners, more nopes. Women? Only if the little dears stay in their kitchens where they belong. Catholic? Another nope here, because everybody knows they're not true-blue Americans: they'll always follow the pope's orders. And on, and on....
Yes indeedy, "fair treatment for everyone"!comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6676289Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:55:29 -0800easily confusedBy: maxwelton
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Ford is the very model of a "patriarch" in a "patriarchy". That is not a compliment.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6676437Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:58:07 -0800maxweltonBy: eye of newt
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While researching a bit more about Ludwig, I found <a href="http://realidadeurbanas.blogspot.com/2012/01/company-towns-na-amazonia.html">this site</a> (use Google to translate from Portuguese) that lists several "company towns" built with great fanfare in Brazil, including Fordlandia, and Ludwig's Monte Duarado (translated as Golden Hill), not all of them failures, especially if they are around mines that are still producing.
Apparently in Fordlandia the local population was forced to eat unfamiliar American food.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6677066Sun, 21 Aug 2016 02:43:29 -0800eye of newtBy: clavdivs
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"Ford is the very model of a "patriarch" in a "patriarchy"."
I'd up that to the status of autopatriarchy. This occurs when the persons name is synonymous with inanimate objects on a global scale.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.161721-6677653Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:57:09 -0800clavdivs
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