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Comments on MetaFilter post Out of BoundsMon, 24 Oct 2016 22:47:20 -0800Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:47:20 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Out of Bounds
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<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/17/the-fantastic-ursula-k-le-guin">The Fantastic Ursula K. Le Guin</a> - "Ursula Kroeber was born in Berkeley, in 1929, into a family busy with the reading, recording, telling, and inventing of stories. She grew up listening to her aunt Betsy's memories of a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU1mH0bKI9M">pioneer childhood</a> and to California Indian legends retold by her father. One legend of the Yurok people says that, far out in the Pacific Ocean but not farther than a canoe can paddle, the rim of the sky makes waves by beating on the surface of the water. On every twelfth upswing, the sky moves a little more slowly, so that a skilled navigator has enough time to slip beneath its rim, reach the outer ocean, and dance all night on the shore of another world."post:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:34:41 -0800kliulessursulakleguinursulaleguinleguinnewyorkerbiographywritingsffsffantasyliteraturefictionstoriesstorynativeamericanamericanindianscultureidentitymythsoregonomelasfreedomanarchyfeminismBy: Rumple
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Alfred Kroeber was an (unreadable) giant of Anthropology, but <a href="http://savageminds.org/2013/10/04/savage-minds-new-occasional-paper-series-first-up-the-superorganic/">this rewrite of his classic "The Superorganic"</a> is cool and interesting and gains new meaning when read alongside Le Guin's work.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775913Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:47:20 -0800RumpleBy: oneswellfoop
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And Ursula K. celebrated her 87th birthday last Friday, a birthday she shares with Carrie "Princess Leia" Fisher (60), Judith "Judge Judy" Sheindlin (74) and by some reports (comic book publication dates were kind of fuzzy), Wonder Woman (75).comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775923Mon, 24 Oct 2016 23:12:26 -0800oneswellfoopBy: His thoughts were red thoughts
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<em>"Story is our only boat for sailing on the river of time, but in the great rapids and winding shallows, no boat is safe"</em> - A Fisherman of the Inland Sea
Le Guin is the best.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775925Mon, 24 Oct 2016 23:14:25 -0800His thoughts were red thoughtsBy: Beholder
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The Lathe of Heaven movie was incredible. Only telecast once, I believe, which stunk, because I missed the first 20 minutes of it. That was also the same era that gave us Salem's Lot and Rock Hudson in The Martian Chronicles. For whatever reason, early 80s TV did genre right for a couple of years (include original BSG if you want), but went right back to offering junk until Next Generation a few years later.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775941Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:03:44 -0800BeholderBy: karayel
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I adore her so much, and this is a great profile--I'm very excited to read that its author is at work on a (presumably authorized) biography. Also, if you haven't read Le Guin's essay "Introducing Myself" [pdf], <a href="http://www.scholarsonline.org/~godsflunky/LeGuin_Intr_myself.pdf"> make time for it</a>--I'm tempted to quote excerpts but it's just too good to read piecemeal.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775949Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:33:47 -0800karayelBy: elgilito
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<a href="http://www.lettersofnote.com/2015/10/gentlemen-i-just-dont-belong-here.html">Gentlemen, I just don't belong there</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775953Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:52:49 -0800elgilitoBy: prismatic7
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When all of my teenage friends were having their lives changed by <em>On the Road</em>, <em>Fight Club</em>, <em>Steppenwolf</em> and other typical teenage manfic, I read <em>The Left Hand of Darkness</em> and <em>The Dispossessed</em>, and a handful of short stories. I'd read the <em>Earthsea</em> books as a kid, but until then I had never realised what having your life totally rearranged by a book meant. Le Guin has a phenomenal grasp of the writer's craft, and a radical humanity that is unlike any other author. I am in constant awe of her capacity to be <em>just</em>, in the sense of justice but also in the sense of uniqueness, onlyness or onceness. That she is still as vital, clear, and incisive at 87 is a shred of hope for this world.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6775993Tue, 25 Oct 2016 03:58:27 -0800prismatic7By: johngoren
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Thanks for this. I need to learn more about her other work but "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas" falls into that category of plots I can't recap without choking up.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776005Tue, 25 Oct 2016 04:24:22 -0800johngorenBy: acb
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I'm slightly ashamed of not having read any of her novels. I must remedy this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776006Tue, 25 Oct 2016 04:26:18 -0800acbBy: GenjiandProust
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Yes, you really must. She's a... <em>foundational</em> might not be the right word, but she is a writer whose works have shown a tremendous number of people, readers and writer, a different way. Reading fantasy or science fiction without reading Le Guin is failing to understand either genre. She's that important.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776016Tue, 25 Oct 2016 04:48:48 -0800GenjiandProustBy: A Thousand Baited Hooks
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This is a great piece - I hadn't read much about Le Guin before this, but it sounds like in person she is exactly the way she comes across in her writing.
I think the first book of hers that I read was <i>The Tombs of Atuan</i>, and I've never forgotten it. Nothing I've read since has come close to its portrayal of a truly malignant supernatural evil.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776023Tue, 25 Oct 2016 05:03:55 -0800A Thousand Baited HooksBy: I-Write-Essays
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In this day and age, it would be nice if posts like this came with a "Not dead" warning.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776048Tue, 25 Oct 2016 05:40:31 -0800I-Write-EssaysBy: wabbittwax
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I am relieved that Ms. LeGuin continues to exist in the present tense.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776060Tue, 25 Oct 2016 05:51:02 -0800wabbittwaxBy: Bee'sWing
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I like Bob and all but the Swedish Academy could have chosen her, you know.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776176Tue, 25 Oct 2016 07:38:20 -0800Bee'sWingBy: emjaybee
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I have nothing useful to say about her that isn't gushing. Reading some of her writing is a mandatory exercise for me when I'm stressed or feeling lost. I did like this article, it's definitely worth a read.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776195Tue, 25 Oct 2016 07:51:08 -0800emjaybeeBy: aabbbiee
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The Earthsea books were my first introduction to LeGuin, which I'm sad to say I only discovered at age 36. I really enjoyed the first three, but the fourth, <em>Tehanu</em>, knocked me on my ass. I read it while my infant son was sleeping at my side, and I can't tell you how deeply I felt that book. Unabashedly feminist, unromantic realistic about motherhood, just all in all a completely different kind of fantasy novel. Amazing.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776215Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:02:26 -0800aabbbieeBy: entropone
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By my bedside is Le Guin's "Changing Planes" - which seems to be lesser known, even by fans. I find it to be one of her most delightful works, albeit a bit lighter fare than some of her masterpieces (The Dispossessed, and Left Hand of Darkness, are my favorites) - short stories, more or less, about societies that the narrator visits with her newfound ability to change planes of existence.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776222Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:06:47 -0800entroponeBy: tavella
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No, I'm also very fond of _Changing Planes_. I think her greatest strength lies in her short stories anyway, and it's a lovely and slightly melancholy survey of her imagination.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776259Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:26:24 -0800tavellaBy: EvaDestruction
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One of the pictures from this article just turned up, framed, on the bookshelf by the door this morning - my housemate subscribes to the New Yorker. If I remember correctly, I'm the one who introduced him to Le Guin. It made me very happy to see that she can create intense fans in midlife readers as well as young ones.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776343Tue, 25 Oct 2016 09:05:26 -0800EvaDestructionBy: EvaDestruction
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Oh, and <a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/ursula-le-guin-has-stopped-writing-fiction-but-we-need-her-more-than-ever/">The Nation also recently interviewed Le Guin</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776357Tue, 25 Oct 2016 09:12:03 -0800EvaDestructionBy: inconstant
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Yes, I too have a great fondness for "Changing Planes". If I had the stability to start a personal (physical) library, it would be among the first on my list to acquire. In general her short fiction is just -- I don't know how to really describe it, but... the darker works avoid becoming overwhelming because of the brevity, and the other strange and surreal ones have the feeling of a dream. Perhaps I could describe it this way: some works of short fiction taste more like miniaturized novels, and others more like poetry in prose. To me, hers have more the feel of the latter.
In any case, I don't think it's productive to frame anything as "you fail at X if you don't read Y fiction", unless X is "claiming authority or superiority in that domain". I certainly recommend trying LeGuin's short fiction if you have bounced off her novels, or her later work if the earlier stuff didn't appeal (or vice versa), but no one is a failure for not reading such-and-such and reading-for-pleasure is not an obligation or some sort of test.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776422Tue, 25 Oct 2016 09:42:40 -0800inconstantBy: Ashwagandha
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Rumple, thanks a lot for that link. That article and that blog's project sound really interesting. Le Guin brought me to my love of anthropology, among other things, so when I hit university age and entered the social sciences I was keen to read her father's work. I was deeply disappointed by Kroeber's impenetrability. At the time I blamed my lack of knowledge so I never gave him another try but this abridged version is intriguing.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776426Tue, 25 Oct 2016 09:44:17 -0800AshwagandhaBy: Celsius1414
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<em>The Lathe of Heaven movie was incredible. Only telecast once, I believe, which stunk, because I missed the first 20 minutes of it.</em>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VRbaVNvSA">Cough!</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1bZe7bdXMw">/clears throat</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776567Tue, 25 Oct 2016 10:46:31 -0800Celsius1414By: Dormant Gorilla
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Gah, given that 2016 has gone the way it has, I wish we could start putting, like, [NOT DEAD] right after the name of anyone famous mentioned in an fpp.
Excellent post though. I'll always regret that the first of her books that I came across was, somehow, Tehanu. There should be a way of preventing that from happening.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776974Tue, 25 Oct 2016 13:52:54 -0800Dormant GorillaBy: Dormant Gorilla
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Oh- should probably say, not because it was bad, but because I was 11. Zero chance of appreciating that one.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6776978Tue, 25 Oct 2016 13:54:57 -0800Dormant GorillaBy: Eyebrows McGee
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Her newly-released essay collection and novella collection were on kindle daily deal the other day so I've got me some collected LeGuin to enjoy :Dcomment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6777170Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:02:02 -0800Eyebrows McGeeBy: Celsius1414
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Along with several new books, also just released is "My Life So Far, by Pard" an autobiography by Le Guin's cat, as translated from the Feline by her. Available in "illustrated chapbook" <a href="http://bookviewcafe.com/bookstore/book/my-life-so-far-by-pard/">ebook formats</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6777425Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:24:53 -0800Celsius1414By: aihal
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<em>Ursula Le Guin has stopped writing fiction</em>
O tempora, o melascomment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6777776Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:31:41 -0800aihalBy: nangar
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Thanks for linking that essay by Alfred Kroeber, Rumple, and the discussion on Savage Minds. It made me think, and it hits on things I've trying to think about for a long time.comment:www.metafilter.com,2016:site.163059-6779598Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:08:52 -0800nangar
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