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Arriving in America with only $40 for a short visit, a young Dane, <a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/english/intro/index.html"><b>Jacob Holdt</b></a> ended up staying over five years, hitchhiking more than 100,000 miles throughout the USA.
<br><b>He sold blood plasma twice weekly to be able to buy film. </b>He lived in more than 400 homes - from the poorest migrant workers to America's wealthiest families such as the Rockefellers.
<br><b>He joined the Indian rebellion in Wounded Knee, followed criminals in the ghettos during muggings, sneaked inside to work in Southern slave camps and infiltrated secret Ku Klux Klan meetings as well as Republican presidential campaign headquarters. </b>
See his work !post:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:50:33 -0800bureaustyleamericanpicturesjacobholdthitchhikingBy: bureaustyle
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479347
<a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/book278t.htm">my favorite picture</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479347Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:58:55 -0800bureaustyleBy: kaibutsu
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479351
Damn, I thought that was a painting at first... An amazing photo.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479351Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:10:45 -0800kaibutsuBy: dazed_one
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479352
Some very poignant pictures, but I can't agree with him about what he says about the KKK. I don't believe that poverty is a valid excuse to hate people, whether you are black, white, or of any other racial background.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479352Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:12:28 -0800dazed_oneBy: kaibutsu
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479360
Well, it's kind of hard to deny that poverty causes 'hate' of one form or another, and I think his point is that many or even most followers of the Klan are people who have for whatever reason, channelled that hate in a reprehensible way. Joining the Klan is itself a violent act against our society, because our society so openly hates the Klan both in its racist nature and as a symbol of our soiled past. I can understand joining the Klan as an act of assertion in the face of poverty, an act of rebellion against an oppressive culture. Unfortunately, this particular act comes with some very nasty baggage.
I don't think he's saying that poverty is an excuse for hate. I think he's saying that poverty causes hatred for society just as surely as being a prisoner causes hatred for the warden. If you are trapped, then you'll channel that hatred in any way you can, be it prison riots or beating up on some other group grasping for the same scraps you are...
At some point early in American history, it was decided that the blacks would be slaves and the poor whites would be, well, serfs, though we never call them that. The distinction in these classifications created two very clearly dilineated groups who, instead of thinking of themselves as one big group of impovershed Americans, instead became two groups hunting the same barren wasteland, and therefore competition. I think that similar trends arose among impovershed ethnic immigrant groups, such as Italian and Irish workers.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479360Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:12:00 -0800kaibutsuBy: Dunvegan
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479375
[<a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/english/racism/articles/naziexec.htm">extraordinary</a>]comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479375Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:28:31 -0800DunveganBy: sudama
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479409
Has anybody seen one of his presentations?comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479409Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:50:29 -0800sudamaBy: plep
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479418
I really enjoyed this - thanks!comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479418Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:09:37 -0800plepBy: nofundy
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479424
<i>infiltrated secret Ku Klux Klan meetings as well as Republican presidential campaign headquarters.</i>
There's a difference?comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479424Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:18:29 -0800nofundyBy: Civil_Disobedient
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479436
I met Jacob Holdt at a presentation he made at Boston University about five years ago. The guy is simply incredible. I attribute a lot of my wanderlust and desire for foreign travel to him. The most important thing I got from his presentation was how important it was to view places you've never been with not only an open mind, but an open heart.
If I recall correctly, he spent time with share croppers in Florida, and having used to live there, I was shocked to find people living in such poverty -- even slavery, really. Then a few months later he was sleeping with some rich heiress in Texas, and his pictures reveal a richness of wealth but a poverty of compassion -- quite a juxtaposition. He later spent time living with a crack addict in the Bronx, and you could see the similarities between the living conditions in New York and the share crop families in poorer rural areas.
What I also remember him saying was something to the effect of, "I was robbed a few times when staying at these places, but most people were very nice. But do not be too quick to judge the crack addicts, because if you were as destitute as they are, you'd probably take up drugs, too." He said it much better, of course. But I've never been able to look at a homeless person again in the same way. I used to wonder when I gave them change, "I wonder if they're just going to waste it on alcohol." Now I realize it doesn't matter. If they are, well shit, so would I, and who am I to judge?
Great link, bureaustyle.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479436Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:36:59 -0800Civil_DisobedientBy: techgnollogic
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479472
<a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/book17.htm">Huh?</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479472Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:41:50 -0800techgnollogicBy: Tubes
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479474
Some <a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/ku-klux-klan/KKK.romeo.julie.klanhoods.htm">very gripping stories</a> here. I'll be returning to read more. Thanks for the link.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479474Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:44:46 -0800TubesBy: madamjujujive
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479483
[this is good] - thanks!comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479483Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:57:21 -0800madamjujujiveBy: me3dia
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479583
Wow -- excellent find, bureaustyle!comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479583Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:59:10 -0800me3diaBy: oissubke
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479590
Wow...that's <a href="http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/family-11-150/index.htm">some genealogy</a> he's got there.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479590Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:05:55 -0800oissubkeBy: Soliloquy
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479700
I think this is one of the best links I've ever seen posted on Metafilter. This man has some incredible insights into the human condition, and I feel better-equipped to deal with people with racist attitudes now that I see the mental processes behind them. Thanks, bureaustyle.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479700Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:27:03 -0800SoliloquyBy: blissbat
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479701
This is riveting. Thank you so much.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479701Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:29:05 -0800blissbatBy: wendell
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479721
Wow. Thanks, bureaustyle, for posting this incredible site. So, who's going to help him scan the rest of his 3000+ pictures? Any volunteers?comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479721Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:00:40 -0800wendellBy: Pollomacho
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479734
Wow, great photos, great stories. The rural south photos really conjured up a lot of memories for me, intangible things that you gloss over with time and forget in favor of more positive memories. I can almost smell the must in those shacks, hear the old ladies' voices, things I haven't thought about in years. Thanks for the post.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479734Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:15:01 -0800PollomachoBy: Beholder
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479772
<i>infiltrated secret Ku Klux Klan meetings as well as Republican presidential campaign headquarters.
There's a difference?</i>
Senator Byrd must think so.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479772Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:53:59 -0800BeholderBy: jcruelty
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479779
[this is good]comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479779Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:03:12 -0800jcrueltyBy: horsewithnoname
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479806
Reminds me of another Danish-born documentarian, Jacob Riis. I had the pleasure of seeing Holdt present his work at Northwestern University in the early 90's. It was quite moving.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479806Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:39:36 -0800horsewithnonameBy: samuelad
http://www.metafilter.com/25357/americanpicturescom#479835
I ran across Holdt's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/8798170201/qid=1051304837/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-7717755-6585434?v=glance&s=books&n=507846">book of the same title</a> while working at a bookstore in college more than a decade ago. It remains the most-perused book of photographs in my library, so much so that the cover started separating from the spine just last week. Each person that I have asked to look through the book over the years--no matter his or her political perspective--has been awed by these pictures. Thanks for the post, bureaustyle, and if you like this site, I strongly recommend the book.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.25357-479835Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:27:18 -0800samuelad
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