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Comments on MetaFilter post The war on pain reliefMon, 13 Oct 2003 11:53:42 -0800Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:53:42 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60The war on pain relief
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<a href="http://www.aapsonline.org/press/hurwitz1002.htm">The war on drugs is unfairly targeting doctors who prescribe legal pain medication</a> to their patients who suffer from chronic pain, according to a spokeswoman of the <a href=http://www.aapsonline.org/>Association of American Physicians and Surgeons</a>. She was speaking at a press conference of <a href=http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/305/galvanization.shtml>patient and physician advocacy groups</a>, sponsored by the <a href=http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/>Pain Relief Network</a>, in support of <a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20025-2003Sep29.html>Dr. William Hurwitz</a>. <a href=http://www.drhurwitz.com/>Dr. Hurwitz</a> has been indicted and imprisoned for prescribing high doses of <a href=http://www.drhurwitz.com/html_files/OTFAQ.htm>opioid pain relievers</a>, as have <a href=http://www.aapsonline.org/painman/actionsagainst.htm>other pain-management doctors</a>. But these crackdowns may end up doing more harm than good to <a href=http://reason.com/0304/fe.ma.the.shtml>patients in chronic pain</a>. [More inside.]post:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:50:47 -0800homunculusWilliamHurwitzHurwitzwarondrugsdrugsmedicationpaindoctorspainkillerspainreliefopioidsoxycontinarrestscrimelawgovernmenthealthPDFbrokenlinkBy: homunculus
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Here's a short article Hurwitz wrote on pain medicine regulation: <a href=http://www.jpands.org/vol8no1/hurwitz.pdf><i>Pain Control in the Police State of Medicine</i></a> (PDF).
Here's <a href=http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=12505>Geov Parrish's piece</a> that's mentioned in the Reason article on his experience using OxyContin.
The Reason article also has the full Taliban quote that's refered to in the first link:<blockquote>"The growing national plague of Oxy addictions, overdoses, and deaths caused by the illegal activity of some doctors, pharmacists, and patients has been focused on like a laser beam by this office and other U.S. attorneys' offices," Gene Rossi, a federal prosecutor in Alexandria, Virginia, told The Washington Post in August. "If any person falls into one of those three categories, our office will try our best to root that person out like the Taliban. Stay tuned."</blockquote>My view is that there are certainly some doctors who are inept and some who are corrupt, and <a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42247-2003Oct3.html>maybe Hurwitz is one of them</a>. But comments like this and calling Hurwitz a "street-corner crack dealer" lead me to believe that this is the opening of a new front in the drug crusade. I fear that some innocent physicians may be prosecuted and many patients suffering chronic pain will be unable to get help.
[Some links via <a href=http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/>Drug WarRant</a> and <a href=http://www.talkleft.com/>TalkLeft</a>.]comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568036Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:53:42 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
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Meanwhile, the battle over medical marijuana continues in <a href=http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1065873474272280.xml>Oregon</a>, while in California, outgoing governor Davis <a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/13/MN307103.DTL>signed bill SB420</a> last night, which will create ID cards for medical marijuana users to show to law enforcement officers.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568038Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:56:40 -0800homunculusBy: alms
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Tell it to <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/28882">Rush Limbaugh</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568044Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:09:55 -0800almsBy: mathowie
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Strange how the GOP is so big into "states' rights" but they love to bust Oregon for both the doctor-assisted suicide and marijuana laws.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568045Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:16:47 -0800mathowieBy: Blue Stone
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Meanwhile <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3180776.stm">one in five Europeans suffer from "chronic pain."</a>
That's a lot of potential terrorists out there.
Oh yeah, oblig' link on <a href="http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/essays/e6.htm">War on Drugs</a>, written by an ex-DEA officer.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568048Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:53 -0800Blue StoneBy: Cyrano
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<a href="http://www.andrewvachss.com/help_text/pain.html">Some more resources</a> on pain management.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568066Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:07:33 -0800CyranoBy: LouReedsSon
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Opiates: They're not just for "junkies" anymore!
I blame the so-called war on drugs, which, imho, should have always been called the war on some drugs; the ones the government deemed evil and the pharmaceutical companies weren't allowed to make megabucks with. Through their portrayal of addicts being no more than low-life, hopeless, weak people who usually hang on a corner looking for yet another hit, and who would rob you for such sooner than work has created a huge division in our so-called progressive society by largely ignoring or excusing abuses of accepted drugs. As long as you could buy your fix from a dealer who works out of an office and plays golf on Wednesday, you weren't a, gasp, drug addict! But look how easily the "disease" spills over into "good" peoples lives, taking with them now their doctors who supposedly prescribed meds with the very best of intent.
Shah! The hypocrisy drives me insane. Nearly everyone enjoys removing themselves from the reality of life's everyday stresses temporarily on occasion, or maybe prefers fast pain relief even when it isn't all that unbearable. More use alcohol for these and it's completely acceptable, as long as no one knows how much you really drink. Others have found pharmaceuticals to be their choice and still stay within those "accepted" bounds. But my recreational use (I buy from those who support terrorism, btw) labels me an addict of the evil variety, and one with obvious deep-seated issues or hereditary afflictions that have infected me, but in spite of something I'm told I didn't create in the first place (birth defect, remember?), if I don't manage it and happen to get caught, the state will cure me through incarceration and enforced treatment.
<small>'Cept if my bank account is large and maybe I call myself W or Rush or, I'll shut up now...</small>
/rantcomment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568077Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:22:41 -0800LouReedsSonBy: Ufez Jones
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<i>Davis signed bill SB<b>420</b> last night, which will create ID cards for medical marijuana users to show to law enforcement officers.</i>
I hope that's a coincidence, but it's awfully funny.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568079Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:24:28 -0800Ufez JonesBy: Nothing
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And on the other side of it, doctors are being <a href="http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_01/prl20723.htm">sued for not providing enough pain relief</a>. I think the family was right to sue, in theory, but with the doctors up against jail time on the other side of it if they over treat pain, it creates something of an impossible situation. You do what you can, conservatively, and hope it's enough and your patient is comfortable and you don't get sued, or you do what you can and make sure it's enough and hope not to go to jail.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568090Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:40:10 -0800NothingBy: biscotti
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People with chronic pain often require and tolerate extremely high doses of opiates (dosage amounts for opiates vary greatly among individuals - what is a near-fatal dose for one person is a safe, effective dose for another - judging "overprescribing" by moving targets like this is ridiculous). Targeting doctors who prescribe amounts appropriate to an individual's needs is a shameful travesty. If the choice is between an individual being comfortable enough that they may even be able to lead some semblance of a normal life thanks to high-dose opioids, and an individual taking lower doses and having to spend all their time in bed due to pain, I don't see how there's any difficulty about the choice. And surely the bottom line is that it should ultimately be the patient's informed choice to make.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568104Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:08:53 -0800biscottiBy: jfuller
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> one in five Europeans suffer from "chronic pain."
Is the problem living in pain or just living too damn long? For comparison, average life expectancy of <a href="http://www.missgien.net/stone-age/skarabrae.html">these Europeans</a> was twenty five years. Being a bit past that, I figured my own chronic back pain was just life's way of telling me it's time to shuffle off and let some younger primate have my cave. Consequently I have been pretty damn quiet on the subject; perhaps some of these 1 in 5 feel the same, or could be led to do so if other members of their tribes showed 'em the icebergs and encouraged them to climb on.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568107Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:12:34 -0800jfullerBy: inpHilltr8r
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It's a pain gettin' da chronic.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568117Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:39:16 -0800inpHilltr8rBy: homunculus
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Nice catch, Ufez Jones, I didn't notice that. I wonder if it was intentional. Here's more on <a href=http://www.canorml.org/leg/vascosb420.html>SB 420</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568122Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:51:22 -0800homunculusBy: kablam
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Isn't it painfully obvious that the ONLY real reason for maintaining the "War on Drugs" is moralistic?
There are large numbers of Taliban-like fanatics out there who truly believe that "pleasure without pain" is inherently <em>sinful</em>.
They are the ones who really embrace the stereotypes of alcoholics and prostitutes and drug abusers and gamblers as "dying in the gutter." They believe in these images because they have to. They tell themselves that good, religious people who don't *sin* should be rewarded, and scoffers, the irreverent, those laughing heathens *must* be punished. And punished in the after-life just isn't enough.
They must be punished in the here and now.
Back in prohibition days, they were called "Nasty Nellies."
More than anything else, they hate the idea of others having "fun."comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568133Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:17:00 -0800kablamBy: delmoi
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Ugh, mother fuckers. You should be able to Hydrocodine over the counter, IMO. A copule moron's going deaf isn't to high a cost for me not being in excrutiationg pain from my back. Pigfuckers.
If I had my way, All drugs would be legal. People should make their own choices.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568163Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:49:26 -0800delmoiBy: rolo
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Interesting that in the UK the most common drug for pain relief in extreme cases, such as cancer, is diamorphine, more commonly known by the trade name of Heroin. As far as I know diamorphine is rarely used in U.S. hospitals and I wonder how much this is due to the moral panic that surrounds it's reputation.
Both my parents (one with cancer, one with heart disease) died in hospital, their pain thankfully alleviated by the careful use of diamorphine.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568260Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:00:03 -0800roloBy: ruelle
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Well, the state of California (and apparently Canada also) monitors prescriptions drugs subject to abuse by a system of <a href="http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/aboutus/triplicates_dept.asp">triplicates</a>.
Every prescription is in three copies - first one is kept by the doctor who must justify his choice of medication and dosage when controlled, second one is kept by the pharmacist who if in doubt may call the physician who issued the prescription and must keep his copy when he is controlled, and the last copy is given to the patient who has proof of the treatment her doctor has administered. Incidentally, the relatively young medical field of Pain Management is subject to very close <a href="http://www.painandthelaw.org/malpractice/index.php">scrutiny</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568511Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:13:28 -0800ruelleBy: homunculus
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<a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23746-2003Oct14.html>"The Supreme Court cleared the way Tuesday for state laws allowing ill patients to smoke marijuana if a doctor recommends it."</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568698Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:02:26 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
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<i>Well, the state of California (and apparently Canada also) monitors prescriptions drugs subject to abuse by a system of triplicates.</i>
Apparently <a href=http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/10_14_03davis.cfm>not in California</a> anymore:
<i>"Other drug policy reform measures signed by Davis included: SB 151 (Burton, D-San Francisco), which repeals California's 'triplicate' form requirement and will improve pain management practices for doctors and patients"</i>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568742Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:31:43 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
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Here's a new Newsweek article on opioids: <a href=http://www.msnbc.com/news/979352.asp>In the Grip of a Deeper Pain</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568746Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:42:05 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
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<a href=http://www.drugsense.org/temp/part4999.html>Activists to Ask Arnold to Act on Medical Marijuana in Meeting with Bush</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-568771Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:30:49 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
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Meanwhile, in Iraq: <a href=http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1063129,00.html>Drugs crisis threatens to break fragile health service</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.28920-569176Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:04:10 -0800homunculus
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