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Comments on MetaFilter post Nutwood chumTue, 05 Dec 2006 22:03:44 -0800Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:03:44 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Nutwood chum
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<a href="http://www.rupertbear.com/">Rupert Bear</a> has been given a makeover so that he'll have more appeal to today's audience.
Invented by <a href="http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~afm/followers/tourtbio.html">Mary Tourtel</a> in 1920 and appearing in the Daily Express newspaper, he also stars in the <a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/brooksdr/rupert/main.htm">Rupert Little Bear Library</a> and in a long-running set of <a href="http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/6894/">annuals</a> - which also championed the art of <a href="http://www.britishorigami.info/academic/lister/rupert.htm">paperfolding</a> (origami). <small>[more inside]</small>post:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:03:02 -0800tellurianrupertbeardailyexpressbritainBy: tellurian
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514395
Sadly, a lot of the original puppet animation shows are <a href="http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/childrens/rupertbear.htm">missing</a> (intros can be seen <a href="http://www.retrojunk.com/details_tvshows/1058-the-adventures-of-rupert-the-bear/">here</a>). The original show theme was sung by <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=BT6iYlTYXno">Jackie Lee</a> and Rupert has been lauded in song by <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE">Paul McCartney</a>.
It's not been all beer and skittles though. Our Rupert is not without controversy, being a component of the <a href="http://pers-www.wlv.ac.uk/~fa1871/rupage.html">OZ obscenity trial</a> and a bit of a dustup over some <a href="http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/POLITICALLY_INCORRECT5.htm">political incorrectness</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514395Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:03:44 -0800tellurianBy: smackfu
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514414
This is a TV show of some sort?comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514414Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:34:35 -0800smackfuBy: Alex404
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514430
I haven't thoroughly explored this new iteration of Rupert Bear, but it looks like a major turn in the wrong direction. As in less Christopher Robin, more Teletubbies wrong direction. (Don't worry, I'm not mixing my bears).comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514430Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:05:56 -0800Alex404By: serazin
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514431
Um, I prefer the term "racism" to "political incorrectness" in this case.
I had an anthology of these comics as a kid and remember loving them, but also have some memories of racist images. Clicking on the "political incorrectness" link above I'm not sure I remember something that overt though.
My favorite character was the dog with the fluffy ears. I forget it's name.
Check out these <a href='http://www.royaldoulton.com/website/product/browselinelist.jsp?JSESSIONID=F2rwnYS3381djzIdCP723mqRyVS4MfJmyTSrk2N8OvWlIE5Dbw4z!-687195187&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302024686&bmUID=1165388784879&bmLocale=en_GB'>corny figurines!</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514431Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:06:06 -0800serazinBy: serazin
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514435
Oh no. A little Googling showed me that the dog's name was 'Ping Pong'. Sadly also racially stereotyping since he was supposed to be Pekinese.
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia the 'new' Ping Pong is a girl!comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514435Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:11:17 -0800serazinBy: champthom
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514452
Thanks, this post reminded me to try and find <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRy318lhSAk">this Paul McCartney video</a> featuring Rupert.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514452Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:54:12 -0800champthomBy: misteraitch
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514458
I have, and have always had, an inexplicably strong antipathy toward Rupert: he gives me the creeps. I am not happy to know he is still being kept alive.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514458Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:05:55 -0800misteraitchBy: pracowity
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514486
I guess Golliwog is out then?comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514486Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:20:52 -0800pracowityBy: Joeforking
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514492
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/jessnevins/rupert.jpg">Rupert finds Gypsy Granny</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514492Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:32:14 -0800JoeforkingBy: Alex404
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514499
Rupert the racist? Oh well. Chalk up another child memory desecrated by metafilter.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514499Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:47:48 -0800Alex404By: tellurian
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514504
My own feelings (based on the childhood experience of sitting and reading with my grandmother) are much better expressed by <a href="http://www.gatewaymonthly.com/53rupert.html">Paul Norman</a> - <i>"At the risk of sounding sentimental, I can call it the sense of wonder, the magic that is perhaps always there, just under the surface of ordinary human experience but which, when we step out of childhood into adult life, we tend to lose."</i>
And yes <b>serazin</b>, I agree there is racism and racial stereotyping in those early stories, it was rife in those times. I have more recent annuals (1987 onwards) that I read with my daughter when she was small and that sort of stuff isn't there anymore.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514504Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:59:23 -0800tellurianBy: quarsan
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514518
misteraitch - same here, but am not sure why. but Rupert was the one cartoon I never liked. Well him and <a href="http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/tv/kids/marineboy.htm">Marine Boy</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514518Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:47:04 -0800quarsanBy: Phanx
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514556
Tourtel started Rupert, but her version was merely whimsical, no more noteworthy than the Mail's rival <a href="http://www.gatewaymonthly.com/513teddy.html"> , Teddy Tail</a>.
It was Alfred Bestall who introduced the dream-like quality which gives some of the Rupert stories a slighty eerie fascination (no doubt what repels some who have commented). It's a combination of greater realism and a strong sense of place with a head-on approach to the anthropomorphism, anachronisms, and other bizarre elements which in Tourtel's hands were just the small change of nursery-rhyme tales, but in Bestall's became distinctly trippy.
It follows that updating and normalising Rupert is like doing the same to Alice: at best pointless, at worst destroying the weirdness which is half the pleasure. But obviously the television version is just a matter of exploiting a well-known brand for mechandising, etc.
Since Bestall's death, John Harrold has done a remarkable job of continuing in a style somewhere between Bestall and Tourtel, but his version is slightly bolder and less subtly drawn than Bestall's, and the magic is not quite the same. IMHO.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514556Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:20:14 -0800PhanxBy: Mocata
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514577
Phanx, that is without doubt the best bit of Rupert the Bear criticism I have ever read.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514577Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:58:27 -0800MocataBy: tellurian
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514592
<i>without doubt the best bit of Rupert <strike>the</strike> Bear criticism I have ever read.</i>
Seconded. Phanx, spot-on.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Bestall&action=edit">Alfred Bestall</a> - oh dear! I don't have the expertise but this surely should be fixed.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514592Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:28:18 -0800tellurianBy: misteraitch
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514622
Phanx--what I disliked about Rupert the Bear were not the storylines, which I concede might have been excellent, but the character of the bear himself, which I found so off-putting that I never gave the stories a chance. As to why I disliked him so much, it's hard to say ... partly I suppose because he never seemed quite bear enough or quite boy enough to me, and partly because he seemed to epitomize a kind of cosily middle-class Daily-Express-reading Englishness that felt perfectly foreign to me (coming from a Welsh, working class, Daily Mirror-reading family). It's a reaction that is oddly out of proportion, given that my senses of nationality, cultural-identification & class-consciousness otherwise tend to be weak to the point of non-existence: but there's something about that bear that strikes an otherwise-vestigial nerve.
My apologies, tellurian, for ranting all over your fine post!comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514622Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:10:57 -0800misteraitchBy: anthill
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514698
A makeover? <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6989380">Looney.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514698Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:36:51 -0800anthillBy: jonp72
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1514845
John Mortimer, who defended OZ Magazine in the Rupert obscenity trial, later wrote the Rumpole of the Bailey books.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1514845Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:21:58 -0800jonp72By: Sparx
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1515245
<i>Rupert <strike>the</strike> Bear</i>
I am almost certain the themesong went:
Rupert, Rupert the Bear, everyone knows his name
Rupert, Rupert the Bear, everyone come and join in, with all of his games.
thus establishing his nomenclature in the hearts and minds of small undernourished children everywhere.
That said, he's an annoying little tit who should die horribly in a fire. Plus he wears a scarf even in summer.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1515245Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:01:17 -0800SparxBy: IndigoJones
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1515514
One more voice for having always loathed the bear, but from what I see, the new one is quite as hateworthy in his own fashion. Standard commercial downhill slide, similar to <a href="http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/movies/steamboat/steamboat.html">Steamboat Willie</a>, who, originally, showed such promise. (I'm discussing aesthetics, you understand, never mind the old timey race stuff.)comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1515514Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:19:16 -0800IndigoJonesBy: Phanx
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1515793
I see what you mean, misteraitch - but you must have had a thin time of it so far as children's books were concerned if you didn't like cosy middle-class characters!
What happened to the Wikipedia entry? There's a long article about Bestall elsewhere which is credited to Wikipedia - <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/alfred-bestall">eg</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1515793Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:07:06 -0800PhanxBy: shelleycat
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1517922
Add me to the Rupert is creepy faction. Reading the annuals always made me feel icky and unhappy as a child, although I don't really remember why. Just being left with a creepy unsettled feeling. It somehow rubbed off so I couldn't read Tin Tin because I thought he would do the same.
It's nice to know I'm not a total freak.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1517922Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:50:24 -0800shelleycatBy: tellurian
http://www.metafilter.com/56768/Nutwood-chum#1518833
Rupert loathing! I'm surprised by this reaction especially because so many of you aren't able to define what it is that bothers you.comment:www.metafilter.com,2006:site.56768-1518833Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:25:38 -0800tellurian
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