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<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062302050.html">Fables of the Reconstruction.</a> According to <a href="http://gao.gov/docsearch/abstract.php?rptno=GAO-08-837">a new GAO report</a> [<a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08837.pdf">PDF</a> of full report], the surge has resulted in security gains and reduced violence in Iraq, but the political goals the surge was supposed to buy time for <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24/20-billion-later-iraq-sec_n_108919.html">mostly haven't happened</a>. <br /><br />From the GAO report:<small><ul><li>The Department of Defense reported in March 2008 that the number of Iraqi units capable of performing operations without U.S. assistance has remained at about 10 percent.</li><li>Between 2005 and 2007, Iraq spent only 24 percent of the $27 billion it budgeted for its own reconstruction efforts. More specifically, Iraq's central ministries, responsible for security and essential services, spent only 11 percent of their capital investment budgets in 2007--down from similarly low rates of 14 and 13 percent in the 2 prior years.</li><li> Since 2003, the United States has provided more than $20 billion to develop Iraqi security forces </li><li>Although oil production has improved for short periods, the May 2008 production level of about 2.5 million barrels per day (mbpd) was below the U.S. goal of 3 mbpd.</li><li>The daily supply of electricity met only about half of demand in early May 2008.</li></ul></small>Here's what President Bush <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-7.html">said</a> the surge would accomplish, with <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge/">updates</a>:
"To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November." That didn't happen. The Iraqi government is <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/23/africa/iraq.php">taking control of Anbar Province</a> this week. It'll be the 10th province out of 18 that the Iraqi government has taken responsible for--but the first Sunni-controlled one, and the Kurdish and Shiite provinces were previously run by militias that were folded into the government. Security gains in Sunni areas are largely due to co-opting insurgents into the <a href="http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=2152">Sons of Iraq</a>. The US military <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/02/MNGG1101AM.DTL">pays</a> the 103,000 overwhelmingly Sunni members $300 a month, but fewer than 17,000 Sons of Iraq members have joined Iraq's security forces and 6,100 more have been approved, leaving around 80,000 unemployed armed men (<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/04/america/bremer.php">again?</a>) when the money runs out.
"To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis." That didn't happen. <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/22/ap/world/main4200687.shtml">Talks are resuming</a> this week. Meanwhile the Iraqi government is about to <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/22/ap/world/main4200687.shtml">sign no-bid contracts</a> with several U.S. and European energy companies. "We fear that any such agreements signed by Iraq's Hydrocarbon Ministry without an equitable revenue sharing agreement in place would simply add more fuel to Iraq's civil war."
"To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs." That didn't happen. Iraq spent <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oil-money_slymay01,0,7290713.story">a little over half</a> of the $10 billion allocated in 2007. In 2005 the Iraqi government estimated the total cost of reconstructing Iraq at $200 billion.
"To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year." That didn't happen. Provincial elections are <a href="http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/05/30/iraqs_provincial_elections_on_schedule/59ec/">scheduled</a> for October 2008, but <a href="http://www.unpo.org/content/view/8331/116/">could be delayed</a> due to disputes over election law.
"And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws..." That happened, kind of. The re-Baathification law <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/24692.html">passed in January</a> but the law <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSYAT251579">isn't being implemented</a>.
"...and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution." That didn't happen either, but it <a href="http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/31340">might happen</a> in July.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060503575.html">Most</a> of the troops that made up the surge have been withdrawn. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq26-2008may26,0,6583598.story">Violence is down</a> to only 300-850 violent incidents per week after <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2008/04/07/iraq_violence_up_as_troop_levels_drop/">spiking</a> in March and April.
<small>Apparently the surge has always had the Maoist name of <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-3.html">The New Way Forward</a>; I seem to have missed it until now.</small>post:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:02:10 -0800kirkarachairaqsurgeoilwaroccupationresourcesBy: rokusan
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159796
<i>leaving around 80,000 unemployed armed men when the money runs out.</i>
I fail to see how this differs substantially from, say, Alabama.
The security gains described in that report seem to be gains in the security of American forces. Something about that yardstick rings false for me.
I'm also thinking about how brutal it may get a few years from now, especially if things are "safe", for all the foreign employees of the foreign corporations who benefit from those no-bid contracts. Unless every office is in some future green zone under heavy US guard forever, those people are going to be targets for some still unhappy, still-unemployed and still heavily-armed Iraqis.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159796Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:08:53 -0800rokusanBy: stenseng
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159810
What, this? This is my "surprised face."comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159810Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:18:58 -0800stensengBy: digaman
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159818
Thanks for all the information, kirkaracha. I'm more interested in that than in weighing in here to register that I am eligible for the More Cynical Than Thou prize of the week.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159818Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:22:56 -0800digamanBy: stenseng
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159824
Actually, I don't think I'm eligible. I've won several weeks in a row now...comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159824Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:25:57 -0800stensengBy: ZachsMind
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159850
If both parents don't want a kid to do something, the kid just waits until both parents aren't around anymore. Even if it means death. The kids intrinsically know the odds are in their favor. The parents can't be vigilant forever.
The cultures in asia have been at this a very long time. They have been fighting amongst themselves for millenia, so their idea of 'temporary' is <b>glacial</b>...comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159850Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:44:40 -0800ZachsMindBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159860
<a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/06/mission-accompl.html">Mission Accomplished!</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159860Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:49:31 -0800homunculusBy: rush
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159862
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159796">rokusan</a> - Figure 2 details the average daily attacks, featuring a breakout by target classification.
Attacks on civilians have dropped as well - not by as much as attacks against coalition forces, but they also don't exhibit any of the March increase.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159862Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:54:24 -0800rushBy: rokusan
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2159886
<i>I am eligible for the More Cynical Than Thou prize of the week.</i>
Pessimistic is not cynical, though I guess you could make an argument for either.
<small>PS: thanks rush I missed that.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2159886Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:13:18 -0800rokusanBy: ZenMasterThis
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160017
I'm no fan of the war or Bush, but didn't EVERYBODY except the administration and lapdog neocons predict that the surge would be a TOTAL failure?comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160017Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:57 -0800ZenMasterThisBy: pompomtom
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160055
Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of cynicism to be unsurprised - given how much time could be saved by just discussing parts of this occupation that have gone well.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160055Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:23:33 -0800pompomtomBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160081
The surge wasn't a total failure. It was a failure at acheiving the reconstruction milestone goals that were largely unrealistic, but I don't know that there is a better strategy for that without a time machine.
How long would the US oil companies have to hold onto the oil fields without them being re-nationalized for us to recoup the pumping infrastructure, foreign aid, and military costs? Also, are there planned tax breaks for US oil companies Iraq operations?comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160081Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:08:08 -0800BrotherCaineBy: saulgoodman
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160152
I still contend that the surge was really not much more than a way to artificially elevate troop levels so the administration could fill the newspapers with feel-good (but largely meaningless) reports of troop draw-downs roughly in time for the elections.
The real progress on-the-ground has been achieved through non-force related tactics, like making allies of former insurgents and militia leaders by offering them payoffs, weapons deals, and the occasional troop support when they need extra help to firm up their hold on local power.
And sure, there's been some progress through the use of these sophisticated "counter-insurgency tactics" (glorified bribes, illicit arms deals and mercenary work), but that still doesn't change the fundamental fact that the country is in ruins--and it's in ruins because our national policy goal from day one of this miserable adventure has been to secure strategic control over another sovereign nation's natural resources. We will never be able to pay off the moral costs of this war.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160152Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:07:19 -0800saulgoodmanBy: kirkaracha
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160198
I concur with BrotherCaine and sauldgoodman, and I think the surge accomplished its main objective: running out the clock on President Bush's term so he can blame it on the next guy.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160198Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:44:43 -0800kirkarachaBy: 445supermag
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160204
<a href="http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/">On the no-bid contracts for the same four companies</a> that lost them in the '72 nationalization of Iraq's oil industry.
How many times have we defeated al Qaeda in Iraq?
<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=67719">Despite the many brickbats of the media, al Qaeda has been defeated in Iraq, and is now retreating to lick its wounds where it can.
– Strategy Page, April 30, 2006
Al-Qaeda In Iraq Reported Crippled
– Washington Post, Oct. 15, 2007
Military: "Surge" Has Defeated Al Qaeda In Iraq
– U.S. News, Oct. 15, 2007
"Al Qaeda is on the verge of a strategic defeat in Iraq"
– Fox News, May 30, 2008</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160204Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:49:54 -0800445supermagBy: digaman
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160328
It's good to know that one of the forces that boosted the "success" of the surge was ethnic cleansing -- now that's what I call the Iraqis finally pitching in!comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160328Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:07:50 -0800digamanBy: Fuzzy Monster
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2160505
I've got a new New Way Forward: just name one of the waterslides in the soon-to-be constructed<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/71836/its-a-small-world-after-all"> Baghdad Amusement Park</a> <strong>"The Surge"</strong>. Then turn on the water and voila! "The Surge" is working!
(<small>Until the water and electricity go out again.</small>)comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2160505Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:47:20 -0800Fuzzy MonsterBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2161084
<a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174948/nick_turse_the_pentagon_s_stealth_corporations">Billion-Dollar Babies: Five Stealth Pentagon Contractors Reaping Billions of Tax Dollars</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2161084Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:01:04 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2161978
<a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/41817.html">Haditha victims' kin outraged as Marines go free</a>
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/26/haditha_massacre_victims_kin_outraged_as">Interview with the author.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2161978Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:10:47 -0800homunculusBy: Mental Wimp
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2162444
Anyone who can read any form of success in our invasion and occupation of this foreign nation that never attacked us ought to have a head examination.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2162444Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:48:28 -0800Mental WimpBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2163131
<em>Anyone who can read any form of success in our invasion and occupation of this foreign nation that never attacked us ought to have a head examination.</em>
Agreed, but looking just at surge vs. no-surge is a slightly different proposition. I'm of the opinion that most of the <em>obvious</em> mistakes in Iraq predate the surge. Going in in the first place, having neither exit strategy nor rebuilding strategy when we did go in, de-Baathification, not having a plan for neutralizing Irani & Saudi support, etc... The surge may well be another huge mistake, but I don't see where it is obvious at this point that getting out of Iraq vs. increasing occupation is the best route to mitigating damage.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2163131Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:55:16 -0800BrotherCaineBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2163134
<em>The real progress on-the-ground has been achieved through non-force related tactics, like making <b>temporary</b> allies of former insurgents and militia leaders by offering them payoffs, weapons deals, and the occasional troop support when they need extra help to firm up their hold on local power.</em>
Sorry, had to nitpick a little. Other than that I agree with you.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2163134Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:57:52 -0800BrotherCaineBy: Mental Wimp
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2163556
<em>I don't see where it is obvious at this point that getting out of Iraq vs. increasing occupation is the best route to mitigating damage.</em>
Well, I agree one can't be certain, but looking at the figure it's pretty clear we are the cause of and target for most of the violence since the invasion. I'm betting without our presence it would go down to lower levels. But the issue isn't whether our staying or going would lead to better lives or not. We are occupying a country against its will. We weren't invited in by any identifiable constituency and we remain at the consternation and anger of most of the population. Morally, we should get out and let the Iraqis manage their own affairs, without coercing them to pass this law or that law that benefits the USA. What we are doing is wrong from every angle and the pointy-headed speculation about the impact of this or that immoral action seems to be mere nattering.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2163556Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:30:45 -0800Mental WimpBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2163867
I guess I just feel like we screwed it up so bad by going in without a plan that we own a lot of the chaos and casualties after we leave. But not wanting to leave may be the kind of enabling behavior an alcoholic's spouse might demonstrate (no disrespect to the Iraqi gov't). I kind of feel like we are juggling eggs there and it is going to get a lot worse when we do leave, maybe short term, maybe long term. I hoped a strong leader would emerge in the mess before we got out, but there is definitely a limit to how long we should wait for that.
I also hope that when we leave, and the course of that country crystalizes; it will not be America hostile. The same elements in our government that brought us this fiasco would almost certainly be happy to go in for another round. Probably using the pretext that Iraq nationalizing oil operations by US companies was a threat to our strategic assets.
Still, moral decision or not, withdrawal will not happen under this administration, and probably not under McCain's first 2-3 years if he is elected.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2163867Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:17:04 -0800BrotherCaineBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2164638
<a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21617">Embedded in Iraq</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2164638Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:03:20 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2164907
<a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/42580.html">Crisis grows in Iraq over U.S. raid that killed Maliki relative</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2164907Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:28:14 -0800homunculusBy: Mental Wimp
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2164951
The "Embedded in Iraq" is a good read. We still ain't gettin' the truth about how bad it is over there, so it's shocking how bad it seems given all the positive spin the gummint puts on it.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2164951Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:43:32 -0800Mental WimpBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2166115
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/after-denying-involvement-in-iraqs-no-bid-oil-contracts-us-revealed-to-be-integral-to-deals/">After Denying 'Involvement' In Iraq's No-Bid Oil Contracts, U.S. Revealed To Be 'Integral' To Deals</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2166115Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:19:56 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2169089
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/opinion/01herbert.html">'Oh Happy Day'</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2169089Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:23:44 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2173139
<a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/07/defense_solutions">U.S. Arms Dealer Tests Legal Bounds in Middle East Arms Bazaar</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2173139Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:47:08 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2175021
<a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174952/nick_turse_the_bush_administration_strikes_oil_in_iraq">All the Oil News That's Fit to Print (Attn: The New York Times)</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2175021Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:34:13 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2175627
<a href="http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_suicidedwyer_070308w/">Medic in famous photo dies after PTSD struggle</a>
Shit.comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2175627Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:12:24 -0800homunculusBy: homunculus
http://www.metafilter.com/72774/Waiting-for-the-New-Way-Forward#2180618
<a href="http://www.juancole.com/2008/07/bhasin-maliki-and-timetable-its-all.html">Maliki and the Timetable: It's all about Blackwater</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2008:site.72774-2180618Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:51 -0800homunculus
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