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One in 8 Million

ocherdraco — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:06:52 -0800

One in 8 Million "New York is a city of characters. On the subway and in its streets, from the intensity of Midtown to the intimacy of neighborhood blocks, is a 305-square-mile parade of people with something to say. This is a collection of a few of their passions and problems, relationships and routines, vocations and obsessions. A new story will be added weekly." A photo and audio series from the New York Times.

A few of the stories:

By: wendell

wendell — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:26:52 -0800

No New York triumphalism please. I had enough trouble dealing with the unique, diverse and amazing population of Los Angeles for most of my life (and they are not all tanned, toned douchebags - there are more different varieties of douchebags in L.A. than Starbucks, McDonalds and In-n-Outs combined).

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:28:07 -0800

Oh how dare I be happy to live in a city you wished you lived in.

By: Lutoslawski

Lutoslawski — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:42:19 -0800

Former New Yorker here, who, while now lives in Portland (which sucks so please no more new yorkers move here...heh...heh...)...really does love NYC... But the RAT TO HUMAN RATIO IS 12:1. That is all.

By: evidenceofabsence

evidenceofabsence — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:48:24 -0800

I, for one, welcome our new rodent overlords.

By: vvurdsmyth

vvurdsmyth — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:54:19 -0800

RE: "The Believer". There are plenty of Christian sites. my feeling is one does not need to proselytize here.

By: monster free city

monster free city — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:35:11 -0800

"There are ten million stories in the naked city, but no one can remember which one is theirs."

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:43:51 -0800

Another former New Yorker here (1984 to 1995), so I know why New Yorkers always have and still do and probably always will tell themselves (in breathlessly self-congratulatory tones) that they live in the most amazing, diverse, center-of-the-universe, only-place-that-matters (etc. etc.) city in the world. I used to do it myself. Because if you don't convince yourself of that, how in the world could you justify putting up with the insane amounts of noise (I don't mean simply aural here, I mean all kinds of noise) and bullshit that comes with living in NYC? And i say that as someone who still has affection and admiration for NYC, even though it's a shell of its former self...

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:58:12 -0800

Because if you don't convince yourself of that, how in the world could you justify putting up with the insane amounts of noise (I don't mean simply aural here, I mean all kinds of noise) and bullshit that comes with living in NYC? Or, um, I dunno, maybe we lived somewhere else and then moved here for all the things you can't find in any other American city? Not everybody's cut out to be a big fish in a small pond.

By: merv

merv — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:04:41 -0800

somewhat similar to David Lynch's Interview Project

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:05:35 -0800

Afroblanco: "all the things you can't find in any other American city?" Do tell.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:07:47 -0800

Or, um, I dunno, maybe we lived somewhere else and then moved here for all the things you can't find in any other American city? Sure, I hear you. I was one of those people, too. One doesn't cancel out the other, that is, your point doesn't cancel out mine. Not everybody's cut out to be a big fish in a small pond. Your disdainful characterization of people who don't live in NYC as 'big fish in little ponds' is exactly the kind of NYC 'superiorism' (to um, sort of coin a phrase) that is also part of what I'm talking about. Belittling non-New Yorkers in the way you've just done is also depressingly par-for-the-course.

By: naoko

naoko — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:11:34 -0800

If you're one in a million, there's eight of you in New York.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0800

If you're one in a million, there's 12 of you in Tokyo.

By: Acromion

Acromion — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:39:14 -0800

maybe we lived somewhere else and then moved here for all the things you can't find in any other American city? Like expensive apartments, trustafarians, hipsters, Wall St. douche bags, snobs, gentrification, overpriced pizza, and $5 gallons of milk? Look I love NYC as much as the next guy, but the people there are not special compared to the rest of America. The pizza is great and I love the subway. There's just no way in hell I could afford to live there.

By: aswego

aswego — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:45:34 -0800

Farmland Dairies non-RBST milk delivered to my apartment...$1.69/.5gallon. Trustafarians and snobs...in Chicago we called them Chad and Trixie. Wall St. douche bags...in Chicago we called them Chad. But you're right...some NY pizza isn't worth the price. I should probably leave, as that's why I chose to move here. I think there's a good chance Paris might be cooler, but I've never been. Anyway, I see this post has already turned into "this is why they hate us." I thought the stories were pretty lame, anyway. I have yet to see any evidence that the NY superiorism (at least the part that isn't in jest) is any worse than the provincial "real America"nism coming from elsewhere in the country, though. Eight million people do afford to live here, after all. More of them are public schoolteacher than investment bankers, and most of them dress pretty well (which I only mention to point that they're mostly not hipsters nor made destitute by rent). It isn't really "better" or "superior," but they don't prioritize living space, entertainment centers, furniture, other belongings, or (large) families as much. That'll be the biggest difference.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:22:49 -0800

Belittling non-New Yorkers in the way you've just done is also depressingly par-for-the-course. I think Afroblanco is just trying to provoke. My advice is not to fall for it.

By: andromache

andromache — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:06:19 -0800

See, what's crazy is that I randomly selected a story--I was flicking through the side scrolley interface and Mark Mocha Ex-Bank Robber was the first one to catch my eye. And wouldn't you know it? The Ex-Bank Robber lives in my building. It was pretty surreal to be sort of half paying attention to the slide show and then suddenly realizing "Holy shit, that's the lobby!" I've seen him a few times, working on that Honda you see in picture 3. Statistically speaking, there is a one in 8 million chance of this happening (source: The New York Times). Snark aside, I thought it was a pretty good little story. Hell, a bank robber lives upstairs! It's not that I thought that was impossible, it's that I never even considered the thought. That's kind of the point of this type of journalism, to just let you peek through the keyhole into someone else's life and broaden your view of what's out there. It's soft journalism, it's human interest--but it's not without merit. It shows you a little of what it's like to be someone else in a place where the simple act of making making eye contact on the subway can feel awkward or threatening. It makes the city incrementally more human. I think you could get stories like this in any city. New York's especially international, which is cool, but I bet it would be just as compelling a series if it were recorded in the most boring-seeming suburb in the world. People are interesting everywhere if you can get them talking honestly.

By: Optimus Chyme

Optimus Chyme — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:15:08 -0800

Great story - thank you for saving this thread, andromache. I hope we can talk about the FPP now rather than NYC good / NYC bad.

By: notreally

notreally — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:39:02 -0800

I think Afroblanco is just trying to provoke. My advice is not to fall for it. Curious here. Is there a significant difference between provoke and troll?

By: toftflin

toftflin — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:46:02 -0800

I've been following this series for a while, my favourites are the Pathologist and the Sneaker Connoisseur. If you like stories like this, you might enjoy The Moth (previously mentioned on the blue). If you only listen to one, listen to the first one by Ed Gavagan about being stabbed in NYC, a great story.

By: The White Hat

The White Hat — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:07:59 -0800

Not very long ago some one invented the assertion that there were only "Four Hundred" people in New York City who were really worth noticing. But a wiser man has arisen--the census taker--and his larger estimate of human interest has been preferred in marking out the field of these little stories of the "Four Million." - O. Henry, The Four Million, 1906

By: Glee

Glee — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:20:12 -0800

It's always great hearing people's stories. The NYC focus does nothing for me personally—just happens to be where NY Times found these people. (Maybe there's a higher percentage of interesting people in a huge city, I don't know.) I really like the format. The voice of the person talking over a photo essay. It's very intimate. Feels like I almost get their own POV—from within their life—rather than looking at someone's life through the lens of a reporter. Not quite, but moreso than a standard format human interest story. Ra Ruiz's story (The Pier Kid) was amazing.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:48:49 -0800

Kattullus believes that "the inverse of that is that living in Kansas is more unique than living in New York City." However, I'm skeptical.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:32:47 -0800

Statistically speaking, there is a one in 8 million chance of this happening New York is weird like that. I used to live across the river in Jerseyland, and I remember one time walking into a store in SoHo of all places, and the girl behind the counter immediately recognized me, knew my name, knew who I was dating, and I was like… uh, hello, who the hell are you? It turned out she was a year ahead of me in high school and friends with one of my exes. But at the time, I didn't know anyone in New York. And yet somehow, someone in New York knew me, and I actually ran into them! Fucking great city.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:54:17 -0800

Your disdainful characterization of people who don't live in NYC as 'big fish in little ponds' is exactly the kind of NYC 'superiorism' (to um, sort of coin a phrase) that is also part of what I'm talking about. Belittling non-New Yorkers in the way you've just done is also depressingly par-for-the-course. Look, if you want to take it that way, that's all on you. I was pretty much just referring to my own experience and how I felt after moving to NYC. I think at some point, everyone has to ask themselves if they feel more comfortable being a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond. I felt like the former where I used to live, and the latter in NYC. I like it a lot better now.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:55:04 -0800

Loved this site, the way it's laid out, the evocative image and sushi version of their individual stories. Loved hearing the stories. Nicely edited and meaningful. Each one is fascinating. Geography, place, does have an impact on people's lives, so I heard their stories with that in mind, letting their words create the feeling reality of the visuals around them. Stories are wonderful, especially when they're well told. This is a great idea and I'd love to hear it, see it, done for all the cities in the world. Or on town websites. A sort of Spoon River Anthology , with all its rich stories, for everyplace in the world.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:57:37 -0800

Nice site, and thanks for rescuing the thread, andromache. Arguments about NYC are even stupider and more boring than arguments about religion. Check your MeMail, ocherdraco!

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:14:09 -0800

Yes, andromache, wonderful comment/anecdote, what an amazing coinkidink you're neighbors to an ex-bank robber. Potent and interesting comments to his story, including comments by his wife and kid.

By: Acromion

Acromion — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:44:27 -0800

It isn't really "better" or "superior," but they don't prioritize living space, entertainment centers, furniture, other belongings, or (large) families as much. That'll be the biggest difference. I'll confess I'm a little bitter towards New Yorkers because of a bad experience I had last time I visited, so the animus is really undeserved. I ended up hanging out with a crowd of fashion students at Parson's, which is probably one of the Snob Meccas of NYC. Needless to say, I found most of them to be insufferable prima donnas. They were extremely rude. At one point, I was chatting with this girl who I thought was pretty cute. When I told her I was from Detroit, she literally crinkled up her nose and said "Gross!" and would barely speak to me for the rest of the night. But other than that, I have found New Yorkers (at least the middle class ones) to be friendly to a fault. But in my wanderings around this great country, I have found people of all stripes everywhere you go. The city is vibrant and fun and I can't wait to visit again.

By: SPrintF

SPrintF — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:40:51 -0800

Everything I need to know about New York was explained by Will Eisner.

By: ericb

ericb — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:44:04 -0800

One in 8 Million... What a great web site/NYT feature. Thanks for posting it. Obligatory.

By: Dennis Murphy

Dennis Murphy — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:02:48 -0800

I enjoyed the stories, thanks for the link. Because if you don't convince yourself of that, how in the world could you justify putting up with the insane amounts of noise For many new yorkers, undoubtably true. I love NYC. Every time I visit I feel alive, almost like when I was a child and visited disney world. But there's honestly about 4 cities I'd rather live in, and that's only in the U.S. It would simply be too big a sacrifice for me to live in NYC. But I'm quite sure if I made that sacrifice, I'd be telling you how no other place compared. It would help with rationalizing my decision. And I think it's great to be proud of where you live, to believe that it's perfect for you. But NYs like AfroBlanco overcompensate, and I think the reasons are very transparent. Over and over I hear 'only in New York City', and 99 percent of the time, well, that's BS. Afroblanco: "all the things you can't find in any other American city?" Do tell. posted by boo_radley You're going to be waiting for that answer for a long time.

By: jason's_planet

jason's_planet — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:21:07 -0800

I'll confess I'm a little bitter towards New Yorkers because of a bad experience I had last time I visited, so the animus is really undeserved. I ended up hanging out with a crowd of fashion students at Parson's, which is probably one of the Snob Meccas of NYC. Needless to say, I found most of them to be insufferable prima donnas. They were extremely rude. At one point, I was chatting with this girl who I thought was pretty cute. When I told her I was from Detroit, she literally crinkled up her nose and said "Gross!" and would barely speak to me for the rest of the night. Dude, that is soooo not representative. Anyone who acts that way is a recent arrival who's trying too hard to fit in.

By: ThePinkSuperhero

ThePinkSuperhero — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:04:09 -0800

And yet somehow, someone in New York knew me, and I actually ran into them! Happens to me all the freakin' time. Ran into my high school drama teacher from FL one day walking down a street in SoHo I had never walked down before. Ran into a family I grew up with in VA (our mothers were good friends, they swapped babysitting all the time) on the shuttle train between Times Square and Grand Central one night- they walked into my exact car, what are the chances of that? Some might call it "weird" but I call it magic.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:55:22 -0800

Is there a significant difference between provoke and troll? You can only get provokes at that little Jewish-Hindu deli on East 57th.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:56:09 -0800

Crap now everyone's going to know about it and I can no longer go there! This calls for a NYT opinion piece I think!

By: computech_apolloniajames

computech_apolloniajames — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:29:24 -0800

This Times series is very well designed. The Bar Fighter happens to be someone I know, and it's amazing to hear his voice as part of this.

By: jeanmari

jeanmari — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:13:59 -0800

Over and over I hear 'only in New York City', and 99 percent of the time, well, that's BS. This. All of those "I ran into so-and-so, only in NYC!" It's not just NY. Happened to me in a bar in Colorado, once in San Fran, twice in Minneapolis, and all of the time in Chicago. Meh. New York. Born there, raised there intermittently, have four generations of my family who live and work there. Old school types--cops, detectives, bar owners, Wall Street Execs, doctors, lawyers, business tycoons. The cranes at the Port Authority are named after the women in my family, including my mother, grandmother, three aunts, many cousins, etc. Politicians, crazy people, famous people show up at family shindigs quite a bit. Do I love things about New York? Sure, I do. I love to visit. I moved away to Chicago twenty years ago and never felt compelled to live in NY again as I found everything I wanted AND it was accessible and affordable here. Plus, all of the cool and connected and creative people. Had a chance to get transferred back there for my job in early 2001 and turned it down flat. It's a wonderful city, but there are many wonderful cities. NYC is not the be-all, end-all that it desperately wants to be. All the self-congratulatory folk just happen to be holding the media megaphone and present this stereotype of superiority that I also feel is attributable to overcompensation and a bit of insecurity. But most of the rest of New Yorkers are just like anyone else from a big city...no big deal.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:37:59 -0800

Do I love things about other cities? Sure, I do. I love to visit. I was born and raised in other cities, but never felt compelled to live in them again as I found everything I wanted from them in NYC and a hell of a lot more besides. Plus, all of the cool and connected and creative people. Moved away a few years ago for good reasons, but I still miss it. It's a wonderful city, and there really aren't any others like it. Chicago is not New York, though it desperately wants to be. All the resentful folk who keep hollering that there's nothing special about NYC, nope, nothing at all, nossirree are suffering from overcompensation and a bit of insecurity.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:10:16 -0800

Hey, languagehat, wait a minute, buddy... weren't you the guy upthread who said "arguments about NYC are even stupider and more boring than arguments about religion"? Guess you got sucked in like the rest of us stupid, boring folk! :)

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:36:23 -0800

I never claimed not to be stupid and boring!

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:04:36 -0800

Actually 'hat, you're anything but, but your self-deprecating humor is most welcome and refreshing in this context!

By: EmpressCallipygos

EmpressCallipygos — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:49:52 -0800

Look -- if New York is the kind of city you like, you'll like it. If other cities are what you like, you'll like them better. The same is true of disliking a city. Disliking New York is no more a sign of weakness or a sign of overcompensating than it is for someone who likes Butter Pecan ice cream to say they dislike Rum Raisin. Chacoun a son gout and all that. More to the spirit of this thread now: my parents don't want to live here, but they do like visiting, and my father is one of those people who is especially blessed with the ability to draw people into conversations. Every time they've visited, he's struck up lengthy conversations with waiters, cabbies, cops, bus drivers, bartenders...when I took my parents to Ellis Island, and the boat was waiting at Liberty Island before going on to the Ellis Island stop, my father wandered up to the boathouse and struck up a conversation with the boat captain, and he ended up getting so wrapped up in his stories about how he and his buddies used to swim out to Ellis Island from Jersey that we almost made him late for his scheduled departure. Dad also had a cabbie comp his fare just because he'd had such a great time talking to him, and got along so well with the waiter in one Greenwich Village restaurant we went to once that the waiter kept bringing out other waiters to talk to him, and somehow addresses were exchanged and my parents got Christmas cards from them for the next three years. I just sat back each time this kind of thing happened and listened, because each of these stories were totally unique; this feature sounds like Dad's somewhere behind the scenes drawing these people out.

By: Halloween Jack

Halloween Jack — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:51:05 -0800

There are eight million stories in the naked city... but surprisingly, and disappointingly, few of them involve naked people.

By: ocherdraco

ocherdraco — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:57:20 -0800

But most of the rest of New Yorkers are just like anyone else from a big city (jeanmari) And that's exactly why this feature is so fascinating. Not because it's about New Yorkers, but because it's about people.

By: Optimus Chyme

Optimus Chyme — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:59:52 -0800

Meh. New York. Born there, raised there intermittently, have four generations of my family who live and work there. Old school types--cops, detectives, bar owners, Wall Street Execs, doctors, lawyers, business tycoons. The cranes at the Port Authority are named after the women in my family, including my mother, grandmother, three aunts, many cousins, etc. Politicians, crazy people, famous people show up at family shindigs quite a bit. Once weekend Dinkins came over and got on all fours and bade me use him as an ottoman for my freshly-pedi'd feet while we watched home movies of my father banging Marilyn Monroe. Later that day, the President called me to let me know that they were already stenciling my name on an aircraft carrier. My teeth are made of a polyceramic compound that originated on a sentient planet orbiting Gliese 436. I can disassemble matter with my mind and and seduce any chordate. My blood is so pure it cures leprosy. I am the All-Mother. My dog sings epic poetry in long-forgotten languages. My face makes grown men weep with desire and my scent is the Word that gave form to Divine Will. NYC is not the be-all, end-all that it desperately wants to be. All the self-congratulatory folk just happen to be holding the media megaphone and present this stereotype of superiority that I also feel is attributable to overcompensation and a bit of insecurity. But most of the rest of New Yorkers are just like anyone else from a big city...no big deal.

By: EmpressCallipygos

EmpressCallipygos — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:17:23 -0800

*grins* I say we make Optimus the next person the TIMES interviews for their "One In 8 Million" feature. Just because I want to see what would happen.

By: ocherdraco

ocherdraco — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:18:28 -0800

We can email them and suggest him. It might be amusing.

By: Optimus Chyme

Optimus Chyme — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:25:13 -0800

I don't think it would be all that great CAT OWNER POSTS ON INTERNET

By: gushn

gushn — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:34:50 -0800

"all the things you can't find in any other American city?" I've moved back to NYC after stints in Chicago & Pittsburgh. For me, the allure is in its opportunity: despite the recent contraction, the center of American finance is still in New York, and if you work in that industry, this is the place to be. I'm told by peers that this is the same in other fields as well, such as fashion. New York is also considered to be one of the most diverse cities in America. Food, languages, and experiences from all around the world mingle here. And this is coming from a kid raised in Elmhurst, Queens, one of the best examples of this 'melting pot' at work. It's also America's safest big city. That being said I can't stand the pollution, taxes are high, and our transportation infrastructure is embarrassing, but hey, you can't have it all. =) Personally I love it here.

By: Optimus Chyme

Optimus Chyme — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:49:28 -0800

taxes are high, and our transportation infrastructure is embarrassing does the cognitive dissonance ever give you a nosebleed

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:48:41 -0800

For me, the allure is in its opportunity Finally, someone who understands!

By: jeanmari

jeanmari — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:43:30 -0800

Once weekend Dinkins came over and got on all fours and bade me use him as an ottoman for my freshly-pedi'd feet while we watched home movies of my father banging Marilyn Monroe. It wasn't Dinkins, it was Giuliani. And that wasn't my father, it was probably my uncle. Yeah, I was reacting to the "Or, um, I dunno, maybe we lived somewhere else and then moved here for all the things you can't find in any other American city?" You wanna make something of it?