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In 1940s New York, <a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/?p=119">Harry Dubin and his teenage son</a> went out every weekend to take color pictures of people doing different jobs in the city. Well, not <em>people</em>...Harry Dubin, switching places with people and pretending to do their jobs. <br /><br />"Dad would say, 'Let's do a fireman this week or a street sweeper.' But a plan was one thing; inducing the target to remove his clothes in a nearby alley and hand them over to a total stranger was another."
Thirty of those pictures survive, brilliant, ultra-hi-res color shots of a goofy Dad from another time out entertaining his son, and are <a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/?cat=12">being posted in batches</a> at a newish blog that's <a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/">full of great artifacts and NYC history</a>.
For instance, <a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/?p=209">stories of loogies and porn on NYC's Radio Row</a> (Cortlandt St), a long-gone neighborhood you know today as Ground Zero, or a fascinating 1946 New Yorker profile (PDF) of <a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/dubinny.pdf">one of the first NYC families with television, and what it's like to watch it</a>. (That family, by the way? The Harry Dubins.) <em>-- via <a href="http://monkeyfilter.com/">Monkeyfilter</a></em>post:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:01:50 -0800stupidsexyFlandersNYChistoryearlytelevisionphotographyawesomedadBy: HuronBob
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wow... I've only hit half of those links...
best post of the day!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887155Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:09:25 -0800HuronBobBy: bunglin jones
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What a great post! I've only looked at a few of the pictures, but Harry Dubin seems to have lived his life like some sort of Early Proto-Kramer.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887158Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:12:38 -0800bunglin jonesBy: generalist
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Excellent. Thanks for this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887169Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:35 -0800generalistBy: defenestration
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So good!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887171Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:21:56 -0800defenestrationBy: gomichild
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This is awesome!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887174Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:24:01 -0800gomichildBy: amethysts
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Kind of like the original <a href="http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/dirtyjobs/about/about.html">Dirty Jobs</a>. Awesome post.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887186Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:34:39 -0800amethystsBy: The Whelk
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SO. COOL.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887188Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:34:44 -0800The WhelkBy: Dormant Gorilla
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This is absolute gold, thank you!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887193Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:41:21 -0800Dormant GorillaBy: applemeat
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A superb FPP. Thanks stupidsexyFlanders!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887200Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:46:51 -0800applemeatBy: ErWenn
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I'm just glad the loogies and the porn had nothing to do with each other.
Very nice post.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887207Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:54:35 -0800ErWennBy: Dee Xtrovert
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Really superb stuff.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887217Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:11:22 -0800Dee XtrovertBy: mwhybark
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I love that this was posted by stupid... sexy... Flanders!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887243Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:39:16 -0800mwhybarkBy: lunasol
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Man, I just want to crawl into those pictures. The way that seeing Dubin in each picture makes you feel a bit like you're there too. When you add the rare experience of seeing color pictures from that time, there's something so <em>visceral</em> about this series.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887254Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:47:28 -0800lunasolBy: stilist
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Harry Dubin as everyone.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887263Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:57:42 -0800stilistBy: JohnnyGunn
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In my top 10 posts of all time. I love this blogger as well as Harry Dubin. THe fact that he so readily agreed to be interviewed again shows what an open fun loving guy he is.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887271Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:14:50 -0800JohnnyGunnBy: Damienmce
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The 1940s seem less grim in colour.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887404Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:29:34 -0800DamienmceBy: darksasami
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<a href="http://thekisseloffcollection.com/wordpress/KC/?p=371">Capri pants?</a> In the 1940s? Really?
<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capri_pants">Capri pants were first designed by European fashion designer, Sonja de Lennart[2][3][4][5][6][7] [8], in 1948 and they became popular in the United States during the 1960s...</a></em>
I'm pretty sure they didn't have square bumpers in the forties either.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887513Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:28:07 -0800darksasamiBy: languagehat
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Terrific post, thanks!
<small>We are <em>all </em>Harry Dubin!</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887524Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:46:05 -0800languagehatBy: ceri richard
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Brilliant post, thanks stupidsexyFlanders!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887539Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:01:42 -0800ceri richardBy: seventyfour
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Wonderful, just wonderful.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887548Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:23:06 -0800seventyfourBy: peachfuzz
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darksasami: she's a little girl, and she's wearing <a href="http://www.sovintagepatterns.com/catalog/item/1693568/7175163.htm">pedal pushers</a>. She even has a bike.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887588Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:03:51 -0800peachfuzzBy: peachfuzz
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And oh - wonderful! Incredibly immersive; what a treat.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887589Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:04:52 -0800peachfuzzBy: sandraregina
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I am in awe of Harry 'trade clothes with me, stranger' Dubin, for his ability to let strangers borrow his clothes for a photography session. Go dad!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887667Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:36:12 -0800sandrareginaBy: stupidsexyFlanders
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If you haven't yet, you get to learn a lot more about Harry and his family through the New Yorker profile linked near the end of the post. How cool is it that Harry bought a TV set in 1941? And when the family pulled up their chairs in front of the set to watch their game show, he made sure he had a clear path to the phone so he could jump up and go call in his clue guesses.
Plus you get an inning-by-inning review of Ron Dubin and his friends watching a Dodgers/Phillies game. (Ron took the aforementioned pictures of Dad.)
TV watching is today so ingrained in our cultural DNA that the article reads like an anthropological observation of the first people to ever eat food. "Onward and Upward With the Arts"? New Yorker, you had no idea.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887725Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:46:48 -0800stupidsexyFlandersBy: salishsea
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*deep bow of appreciation*
These posts made my day and challenged me to up my game as a dad.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887752Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:15:56 -0800salishseaBy: jeffisme
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wow.
I'm the blogger in question, and I just wanted to say thanks to "stupidsexyflanders" for the post and thanks to the rest for the wonderful comments. Because of this site, the number of hits on the blog skyrocketed, which I guess means, I better start watching more carefully for typos.
harry was indeed a great guy. I interviewed a few hundred people for my TV book, and he was one of my very favorites, just as much fun as these photographs. I also wrote a book about old New York and viewed a lot of pictures during the course of my research, none as rich as these those. When you can see the city as it was back then in color it almost brings it back to life. Fifteen years after I was handed Harry and Ron's pictures, I still can't take my eyes off them.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2887929Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:21:01 -0800jeffismeBy: Uppity Pigeon #2
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The whole "photography project" story was just a cover-up. Actually, Harry Dubin was just really awful at holding down a job for more than fifteen minutes.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2888029Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:31:31 -0800Uppity Pigeon #2By: gamera
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That New Yorker piece was a hell of a read, although the tone of bemused puzzlement was eerily reminiscent of an extended review of the Kindle I read recently.
"...the Dodgers and I were rained out on Saturday, which led me to ponder the value of a device which is useless on a rainy Saturday afternoon and keeps you indoors on a fine one."
Also, the ads were great. So after a quick snack of Sell's Liver Pate washed down by a Black Horse Ale (Canada's Finest) I'm off to the "cool Astor roof" for cocktails, to be serenaded by Skinnay Ennis and his Celebrated Orchestra.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2888216Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:31:31 -0800gameraBy: JohnnyGunn
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<em>wow.
I'm the blogger in question, and I just wanted to say thanks to "stupidsexyflanders" for the post and thanks to the rest for the wonderful comments. Because of this site, the number of hits on the blog skyrocketed, which I guess means, I better start watching more carefully for typos.
harry was indeed a great guy. I interviewed a few hundred people for my TV book, and he was one of my very favorites, just as much fun as these photographs. I also wrote a book about old New York and viewed a lot of pictures during the course of my research, none as rich as these those. When you can see the city as it was back then in color it almost brings it back to life. Fifteen years after I was handed Harry and Ron's pictures, I still can't take my eyes off them.</em>
Welcome Jeff! Love your blog. Stick around this place is great too.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2888322Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:38:23 -0800JohnnyGunnBy: Mitheral
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<em>"She even has a bike."</em>
I think the bike, actually a trike, is the ice cream vendor's.
Anyone know what kind of car that is in the back ground? I know I should recognize that taillight/fin and it's driving me crazy.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2888734Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:27:09 -0800MitheralBy: Floydd
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That was driving <em>me</em> crazy, too, Mitheral.
darksasami's instincts were right, it looks like a 1953 or <a href="http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/1954%20Packard%20Caribbean-FR.jpg">'54 Packard Caribbean Convertible</a>.
I have no opinion on the pants.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2888839Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:50:53 -0800FloyddBy: jeffisme
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I asked on Edmunds, and one person wrote back that you were right about it being a '53 or '54 Packard. What makes it interesting to me is that I had forgotten that Ron and Harry took a break from the project and picked it up several years later. I guess this picture is proof.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2889308Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:47:27 -0800jeffismeBy: applemeat
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Metafilter: <em> Puckishly fun, insightful and slightly condescending.</em>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2902939Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:33:15 -0800applemeatBy: The World Famous
http://www.metafilter.com/87992/Great-Dad-Or-Greatest-Dad#2903396
Can someone with better photoshop skills than me please make the following photos:
1. Harry Dubin as Nicolas Cage
2. Nicolas Cage as Harry Dubin as Everybody
3. Harry Dubin as Mike Rowe doing somebody else's jobcomment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.87992-2903396Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:54:34 -0800The World Famous
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