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Comments on MetaFilter post A new branch of animal life is discoveredThu, 08 Apr 2010 14:38:47 -0800Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:38:47 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60A new branch of animal life is discovered
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Meet three new species of <a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7007/8/30/abstract">Loricifera</a>, the first multicellular forms of life found that can live entirely without oxygen (<a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1741-7007-8-30.pdf">figures and full article</a>, PDF). <br /><br />Why is this major? This is the first <em>multicellular</em> organism discovered without <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion">mitochondria</a>, cellular organelles which facilitate aerobic respiration, i.e. allow life to burn food with the help of oxygen.
There are many forms of bacteria (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prokaryote">prokaryotes</a>) that can do anaerobic respiration, as well as a few single-celled anaerobic eukaryotes like <em>Giardia</em> and <em>Trichomonas vaginalis</em>, but no multicellular organisms — until now.
It is widely believed that the ancestor of all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote">eukaryotes</a> (cells with nuclei) engulfed and retained an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphaproteobacteria">Alphaproteobacteria</a> and that the descendants of that engulfed bacteria became mitochondria — and the descendants of <em>that host</em> became the group we now call eukaryotes.
Single-celled eukaryotes that live in low- or no-oxygen environments often lack mitochondria but possess a "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenosome">hydrogenosome</a>", an organelle that resembles mitochondria and functions like its anaerobic equivalent, helping to turn food into energy (but without the help of oxygen).
There is debate about the evolution of these hydrogenosomes, though it is mostly thought that mitochondria in an anaerobic eukaryote lost the enzymes necessary for aerobic respiration, retaining those needed for anaerobic respiration (such as pyruvate-ferrodoxin oxidoreductase, used for reducing pyruvate which is thought to have been in ample supply in a prebiotic Earth). Alternatively, hydrogenosome-containing eukaryotes may represent a <em>completely distinct</em> lineage of eukaryotes from the mitochondrial lineage.
One hypothesis is that these organisms share a common ancestor with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnidaria">jellyfish</a> or some other common multicellular eukaryote. These organisms must then have either undergone endosymbiosis with a single-celled anaerobe (much like what is hypothesized to have happened with mitochondria) or undergone convergent evolution to develop robust hydrogenosome-like functionality.
Another hypothesis, (which, while much less likely, would be by far the most groundbreaking result, if true) is if these organisms represent a completely new multicellular animal that evolved more directly from an anaerobic ancestor with a hydrogenosome.
No matter which evolutionary path these organisms took to get where they are today, studies of loriciferans are likely to alter our understanding of the diversity of life in fundamental ways.post:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:31:43 -0800Blazecock PileonbiologylifescienceoceanoceanographyloriciferaanimalbacteriaproteobacteriamitochondriahydrogenosomeBy: dust of the stars
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033024
Awesome post, Blazecock Pileon. I would rate this discovery as even more significant than that of an exoplanet of earthlike size and orbit (which hasn't happened yet but will receive far more ballyhoo than this when it does). Like the discovery of the seafloor "smoker" ecologies before it, this just blows away our prior ideas about what's required for life and what kinds of environments are actually habitable. More things than are dreamt of in [our] philosophy...comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033024Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:38:47 -0800dust of the starsBy: Blazecock Pileon
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033029
I forgot to add this <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100406/full/464825b.html">Nature</a> news clip, which adds a little bit more information.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033029Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:41:31 -0800Blazecock PileonBy: notmydesk
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033037
Sure, if you call that living.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033037Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:45:15 -0800notmydeskBy: Splunge
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033044
Fascinating.
/Mr. Spockcomment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033044Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:48:10 -0800SplungeBy: wcfields
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033053
I, for one, welcome our new anaerobic overlords.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033053Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:53:30 -0800wcfieldsBy: kuujjuarapik
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033060
I would wonder if they are derived from mitochondria-bearing ancestors and the lack of mitochondria in the anaerobes is a derived form. Use it or lose it, and all that. That would probably mean that there would be fossil evidence of some precursor in some dusty museum draw. That would be another interesting find.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033060Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:58:15 -0800kuujjuarapikBy: fantabulous timewaster
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033062
They're very small. Can they be underlords?comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033062Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:00:26 -0800fantabulous timewasterBy: PMdixon
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033063
Wow. I love that most of the paper consists of them testing whether or not the specimens were alive.
I am not a taxonometerist, but can someone explain why something showing this novel a phenomenon doesn't rate a new genus?comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033063Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:00:33 -0800PMdixonBy: kuujjuarapik
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033078
PMdixon, the 'nov. sp.' after their names means that these are proposed names. They are probably going to get new official Genus and species names, but as I recall there are some peer review conventions for naming that take some time.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033078Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:14:14 -0800kuujjuarapikBy: killdevil
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033081
I fucking love this post. Extremophile retention of a metabolic pattern that predates atmospheric oxygen! Wierd non-mitochondrial symbiotes! Cool.
I would have liked to have seen some more molecular-level details about the loriciferians' redox metabolism than were provided by the paper, but I'm sure that'll be forthcoming.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033081Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:15:19 -0800killdevilBy: infinitywaltz
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033085
What do they taste like?comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033085Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:16:37 -0800infinitywaltzBy: Caduceus
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033108
So are these the guys that will lead the counter-revolution when the mitochondria achieve consciousness and consume the world? <small>/semi-obscure game references</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033108Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:29:15 -0800CaduceusBy: Splunge
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033213
<em>What do they taste like?</em>
They taste YOU! Therefore, you taste yourself. Infinite loop. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033213Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:04:33 -0800SplungeBy: killdevil
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033216
<i>What do they taste like?</i>
Salty.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033216Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:05:06 -0800killdevilBy: It's Raining Florence Henderson
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033240
Oh, and also? Acid for blood.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033240Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:22:58 -0800It's Raining Florence HendersonBy: kuujjuarapik
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033297
I bet they taste like a mixture of mud and hagfish poop.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033297Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:53:24 -0800kuujjuarapikBy: The Whelk
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033402
Life will find a way, a horrible, horrible way.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033402Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:45:30 -0800The WhelkBy: ltracey
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033498
Thank you for the post. This is tres cool.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033498Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:00:50 -0800ltraceyBy: ZenMasterThis
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033506
18 comments so far, and not a single Republican joke.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033506Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:11:51 -0800ZenMasterThisBy: The Whelk
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033557
We don't wanna insult this newly found life-form with the comparison.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033557Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:27:21 -0800The WhelkBy: Slap*Happy
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033593
Along Republican lines, life can irrevocably alter Earth's environment to the point where it wipes out damn near everything that came before... the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event">Great Oxygenation Event</a>, or as it's sometimes known, the Siderian Oxygen Catastrophe.
What would be really freaky is they were living fossils from before the Oxygen Catastrophe... creatures with a lineage two and a half BILLION years old, the last survivors of an ancient pre-cambrian period, that predates our pre-cambrian period by 1.8 billion years, that was abruptly ended when life turned its environment irreversibly toxic to itself. A divergently evolved multicellular organism would be too cool for school.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033593Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:15:01 -0800Slap*HappyBy: Quietgal
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033628
Neat post, BP. I also hope these little guys are the last survivors of life before Earth got poisoned with oxygen (nasty reactive stuff, oxygen...) That would be even cooler than the coelecanth.
But it seems that these critters appeared after Earth went aerobic, since the hydrogenosome is thought to have evolved from the mitochondrion by ditching the machinery for aerobic metabolism (along with its DNA - oops! talk about co-dependent!) That's a hard way to earn a living, adapting to cold dark salty water with no oxygen. At least <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_smoker">black smokers</a> provide ample heat to drive chemosynthesis and even a tiny bit of light for photosynthesis. These little guys got a bum deal.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033628Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:55:16 -0800QuietgalBy: Cold Lurkey
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033641
When I was in 8th grade (circa 1991), I had to memorize both the periodic table of elements and most of the tree of life. Since then, there have been at least 10 new elements (including one last <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/science/07element.html?scp=1&sq=/Ununseptium&st=cse">year</a>) and this whole new domain of the tree of life, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaebacteria">Archea</a>, and extensive re-arranging within the branches.
Depending on whether these Loricfera are are derived from Eukaryotes or not, there may be another domain added on to that pendulous tree.
The Linnean minded 12 year old in me is pissed at all this new stuff that wasn't pounded into my head 20 years ago and wanting to ignore it, but the scientist is deeply deeply excited.
The scientist however has a few quibbles. There isn't any evidence that the Loricferens lack mitochondria... the only figures they show are scanning EMs of hydrogenosome-like objects. A few negative degenerate PCRs of mtDNA starting from a likely ciliate or nematoda would be helpful. (a negative degenerate PCR is a very easy thing to get) Given their living conditions, they would likely have lost them. For phylogenetic reasons alone, this could be a compelling data point. Further, sequencing a genome is almost trivial today, so why haven't they made any sequence comparisons to <em>Nyctotherus ovalis</em>, for analogy, if not exclusion?
Additionally, as the authors are calling them nemotodes etc, it seems that they've already deemed that they are a derived eukaryote and are not trying to bud off a more basal branch on the tree of life.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033641Thu, 08 Apr 2010 22:16:04 -0800Cold LurkeyBy: uncanny hengeman
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033662
I have got awesome anaerobic fitness.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033662Thu, 08 Apr 2010 22:42:57 -0800uncanny hengemanBy: uncanny hengeman
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033666
Sorry, what I meant to say was:
<em>"You tell everybody. Listen to me, Blazecock Pileon. You've gotta tell them!
Loricifera is people!
We've gotta stop them somehow!"</em>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033666Thu, 08 Apr 2010 22:49:59 -0800uncanny hengemanBy: DU
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033773
Gizmodo's headline, IIRC, was something like "life on other planets now basically for sure". It certainly demolishes the (to my mind always shaky) assumption that (multicellular) life implies oxygen (either for input or output).comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033773Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:54:20 -0800DUBy: ersatz
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033793
<em>What would be really freaky is they were living fossils from before the Oxygen Catastrophe... creatures with a lineage two and a half BILLION years old, the last survivors of an ancient pre-cambrian period, that predates our pre-cambrian period by 1.8 billion years</em>
Yeah, that'd make it sound like the plot for Dan Brown's new novel.
<small>Actually, it's amazing seeing discoveries, the repercussions of which will be fully understood after a long, long time.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033793Fri, 09 Apr 2010 05:33:48 -0800ersatzBy: Quietgal
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3033850
Cold Lurkey, good point about not really proving the absence of mitochondria. My impression, though, is that the main point of this paper was to prove that these loricifera were actually alive, not just dead husks that drifted down from upper waters. Gotta establish the basics, especially when making such a startling claim. (Anaerobic <i>metazoans?</i> Paging H. P. Lovecraft!)
Also, references to nematodes were to, well, nematodes, which were used as control aerobic organisms from nearby oxygenated sediments since there weren't any loriciferans in those samples. Not related, just neighbors.
A deeply irresponsible part of me wants to load a rocket with these loriciferans and slam it into Europa, then check back in a hundred years or so. I demand life on other planets and I'm willing to cheat to get it. <small>and I'll settle for a moon, too</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3033850Fri, 09 Apr 2010 06:22:14 -0800QuietgalBy: Greg Nog
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3034184
This is extremely fascinating!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3034184Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:47:44 -0800Greg NogBy: Cold Lurkey
http://www.metafilter.com/90862/A-new-branch-of-animal-life-is-discovered#3044714
So this paper showed up on Faculty of 1000 yesterday (paywalled so no link) and the first reviewer said something that made me chuckle:
<em>The Loricifera are one of the most recently discovered phyla, and their diversity is still barely known. They live in the interstices of soft bottoms...</em>
In his defense, he doesn't seem to be a native english speaker, but I was laughing hard enough that I then had to explain the whole paper to my labmates. And then I got to use the phrase <em>anoxic bottoms</em>.
Good eye Blazecock.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.90862-3044714Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:55:10 -0800Cold Lurkey
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