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Comments on MetaFilter post Rendez-vous auf den Champs-ElyséesSun, 10 Oct 2010 15:44:55 -0800Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:44:55 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Rendez-vous auf den Champs-Elysées
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In 1957, the year of the <a href="http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSTREAT/TR1.htm">Treaty of Rome</a>, founding the European Economic Community and setting the aim of an "ever closer union", the national railway companies of West Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy and Holland (later joined by Belgium and Spain) launched the <a href="http://trains-worldexpresses.com/600/618.htm">Trans Europ Express</a>, a joint network of first-class-only international trains for business travellers. <br /><br />While <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBC4m7ql5j4">various</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUvr2PpjxQ">trainsets</a> from the different</a> member states were eventually used, definitely the most <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p5erN2_4gU">iconic</a> was the German streamlined Diesel <a href="http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trainsets/epochIII/VT11.5">VT 11.5 / VT 601</a> (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUQuquVJ_04&NR=1">interior</a>), which became one of the <a href="http://wirtschaftswundermuseum.de/pageID_8586389.html">symbols</a> of the postwar German economic miracle. In the following years, the TEE inspired <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061113/">a film</a>, and, of course, this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCubJEGRUU&NR=1">little ditty</a> (and this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7JDIKpjdk&feature=related">bizarre cover</a>).post:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:37:07 -0800SkepticTEEtrans-europ-expresstrainsrailwayseuropegermanykraftwerkwirtschaftswunderBy: alex_skazat
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chik, chik-a-chik. chik, chik-a-chik!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320358Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:44:55 -0800alex_skazatBy: mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey
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"This video contains content from WMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320359Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:48:30 -0800mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz OdysseyBy: lukemeister
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That is, the "bizarre cover" is blocked in the USA.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320364Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:55:34 -0800lukemeisterBy: Skeptic
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<em>That is, the "bizarre cover" is blocked in the USA.</em>
Drats! It's a <a href="http://www.lastfm.es/music/Señor+Coconut/_/Trans+Europe+express+(cumbia)">cumbia version</a>. Really.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320368Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:58:46 -0800SkepticBy: lukemeister
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Skeptic,
I have the Señor Coconut album, so we're cool.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320370Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:04:21 -0800lukemeisterBy: krautland
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I remember all those trains you linked to. whenever I went to hamburg or cologne as a kid I would see these TEE trains at the train stations and kind of jealously wonder why they weren't going up north to where I lived (as far as the deutsche bahn is concerned germany ends in hamburg and I lived 150km further north in <i>Bummelbahn</i>territory - all we got were slow, local trains that stopped at every hamlet). the best we ever got was the occasional IC train, which <a href="http://trains-worldexpresses.com/600/618-10m.JPG">looked similar to this train</a>, went fairly fast but had the same ramrod-straight benches in them all the local trains had back then. you couldn't possibly be prussian enough to sit comfortably on them. all that changed in the early nineties with the introduction of the inter regio trains, which were once again the same wagons but with an updated interior. those trains eventually gave way to the ICE, which in its current version just rocks but once again doesn't really go up north beyond hamburg. good thing I moved there.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320377Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:21:31 -0800krautlandBy: monospace
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Ah yes, train travel in Europe. I travelled Europe a lot in the early nineties, not on a TEE (above my student budget), but even regular "2nd" class was fantastic. Here in America, what do we get? Acela and Penn frikken Station? What a joke.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320379Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:24:53 -0800monospaceBy: carter
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Oooh nice! Thanks!comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320420Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:23:09 -0800carterBy: joost de vries
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Ach, the Rheingold with which my mother would visit her late parents.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320584Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:35:03 -0800joost de vriesBy: schmod
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<i>Here in America, what do we get? Acela and Penn frikken Station? What a joke.</i>
And you'd better like it! American rail projects are being cancelled left and right, despite already having been budgeted. Most notably, the new set of tunnels under the Hudson got scrapped, which will effectively prevent any further ridership increases on the Northeast Corridor.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320651Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:46:33 -0800schmodBy: pracowity
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Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320727Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:25:49 -0800pracowityBy: IndigoJones
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<em>Most notably, the new set of tunnels under the Hudson got scrapped, which will effectively prevent any further ridership increases on the Northeast Corridor.</em>
Pretty sure I heard on the radio that the secretary of transportation was coming to have a little chat with the governor on this issue, and that the governor was inclined to listen. Mind you, Google news is not helping me out here - their latest is three days old. So stay tuned.
But it is a question, how much are you willing to pay for passenger rail. Amtrak gets government funding, but not as much as European passenger rail, so it's not like Europe is working smarter, they just have different priorities. Once upon a time this included the Concorde. Money changes everything.
And maybe if gas cost as much in the US as in Europe people would not automatically opt for driving the North East corridor.
(Nice post, btw.)comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3320930Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:03:00 -0800IndigoJonesBy: acb
http://www.metafilter.com/96522/Rendezvous-auf-den-ChampsElyses#3321016
<i>Pretty sure I heard on the radio that the secretary of transportation was coming to have a little chat with the governor on this issue, and that the governor was inclined to listen. Mind you, Google news is not helping me out here - their latest is three days old. So stay tuned.</i>
Given the Tea Party Republicans set to sweep the board in November, many of them promising to cancel already funded railroad programmes out of little more than ideology which narrows down to "We don't need no stinkin' trains. This ain't socialist France, you know", it looks like America will be renewing its oil dependency. By the time it gets too expensive for the working poor to drive to their jobs, it'll be too late to turn around.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3321016Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:01:16 -0800acbBy: IndigoJones
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You think? Could be. Me, I'm pretty cynical, I don't necessarily believe the new brooms would sweep any differently from the old once they get in. We shall see.
Could be worth a post, by the way, the whole Cancel the Trains in the USA thing. Not something I know a lot about. Except that Warren Buffett is investing in cargo trains.comment:www.metafilter.com,2010:site.96522-3321322Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:13:34 -0800IndigoJones
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