Comments on: Waiting for John Frum

Waiting for John Frum

Toekneesan — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 07:45:17 -0800

Two examinations of the Tanna island prophet known as John Frum. Both with very unusual points of view. God is American parts 1, 2, 3, & 4, and Nate DiMeo's Memory Palace podcast.

The cargo cults and their practices have been used as propaganda by both missionaries and atheists. And have served to inspire some interesting art, including this animated version of John's return by Christian Schlaeffer. Previously. (that post links to the cranky old guy encyclopedic site) Scientific American's 1959 article on cargo cults. The Smithsonian's 2006 piece. Richard Feynman's Cargo Cult Science. Damn Interesting. Traveling to Tanna.

By: Artw

Artw — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:03:39 -0800

Oh lordy, I'm definately going to have to line up some time to watch these - this subject has always fascinated me.

By: LiteOpera

LiteOpera — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:28:36 -0800

Is it bad of me that, instead of leading me to ponder the meaning of religion and cultural imperialism, this kind of thing just leads to me fantasizing about encountering an undiscovered people and being worshipped as a God. It's still really effing interesting though.

By: Artw

Artw — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:30:50 -0800

Well, for what it's worth it lead me into writing dodgy vaguely Avatar-esque science fiction.

By: Eyebrows McGee

Eyebrows McGee — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:35:06 -0800

The travel channel did a series on Tanna called "Meet the Natives"; you can find it on YouTube at Vanuatu Veritas. The twist is that the Tannans are meeting the natives of other countries and documenting THEM (while the Travel Channel documents the documentation). It may be a slightly different group; they believe Prince Phillip is the son of God. In the first series they go to the UK to learn about the natives of the UK and try to meet Prince Phillip; in the second series they go the US to look for Tom Navy and discover the truth of the rumors they have heard, even in remote Tanna, about 9/11. They are not sure a building so tall could exist and, if it did exist, if it could be destroyed.

By: Ahab

Ahab — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:36:13 -0800

This is just amazing. On the same island, people worship John Frum, Tom Navy, and Prince Phillip.

By: Ahab

Ahab — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:36:47 -0800

Doh. Preview.

By: furtive

furtive — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:42:08 -0800

If ever you have the chance, go see Mike Daisy's The Last Cargo Cult, it's a superb account of the followers of John Frum and the politics of the island.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:54:30 -0800

this is one of those things that is a good thing.

By: LiteOpera

LiteOpera — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:12:43 -0800

So are Isaac's followers for or against the United States. They say that the US will bring them cargo and help them fight the white colonists, and they march around in blue jeans with 'USA' painted on their chests, but then Isaac talks about how Bin Laden has attacked the New York as a warning to the United States, and that he is fighting for the rights of blacks worldwide. I don't understand, are they pro-US or anti-US? Also, the bit where he explains that John Frum went to the moon in 1939(!) is just the most completely awesome story I've ever heard. Imagine it, the son of god can still only beat the Americans to the moon by thirty years. That's like the Romans sending an expedition to heaven in 60 C.E.

By: Xezlec

Xezlec — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:20:01 -0800

I have a strong impulse to send these people a few XO's and buy them a little internet access. The only thing stopping me is that I'm guessing that's one of those things that would be heinous and morally reprehensible in some way I don't fully grok.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:21:14 -0800

I have this feeling this is how history textbooks will cover the 20th Century in 2 thousand years.

By: Artw

Artw — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:21:16 -0800

Maybe just put TV Tropes on a CD ROM and drop it on them?

By: Scoo

Scoo — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 04:31:54 -0800

Wait, Dr. Manhattan is real?

By: ericbop

ericbop — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:40:07 -0800

They do have the most useful pants of any cult.